An autogolpe is a self-coup. January 6th is an example.
Tensions rising in Türkiye, elections in June. Erdoğan is most likely already laying the groundwork behind the scenes, it's only a matter of time until some evidence comes forth as elections grow closer.
"January 6th is an example" haha thanks for the laugh
@AlQuinn Lmao, the autogolpe started when he denied election results, demanded results be overturned, pardoned his cronies (and himself), refused to concede, was non compliant with a transfer of power, and culminated on Jan 6th when he and his party coordinated with other organisations and members of the public to protest the results and make a show of force.
Even if you cope to the maximum possible degree, you cannot possibly believe Trump didn’t try to stay in power. He still publicly denies that he lost the election to embolden his batshit supporters, despite knowing and privately admitting there’s no basis for it.
He’s genuinely the textbook example of a failed autogolpe. He was a terrible president who literally had no understanding of the system, and entirely failed to work within it.
@AlQuinn Yeah, as I remember from November 8 to Jan 20, Trump only told his followers to peacefully protest, and then told them to go home. That was it. Nothing else happened
1) Questioning election results is not a crime, let alone a coup
2) The power to pardon is not any sort of new exotic/unconstitutional presidential authority
3) There is no requirement that any candidate ever concede an election
4) Strange how BLM ("Burn, Loot, Murder") or Antifa can commit arson or attack federal courthouses and for it to be labeled "mostly peaceful protests" instead of "insurrection"
I'm not a Trump fan but his pivot to challenge China (something the Biden regime has found it wise to doubled-down on) and the Abraham Accords (something he should have won the Nobel Peace Prize for) are examples of good things to come out of his administration.
lol, trying to move to "but antifa is bad" and "but uh there were good things to come out of the Trump administration"
This is a tactic one only uses when you know you don't have an argument
A Nobel Peace Prize for normalizing relations between Israel and the UAE and Israel and... Bahrain? What a joke.
Yeah, I remember that bloody war between Israel and the UAE, what a major threat to peace. It was all in a dream I had once
@ForrestTaylor You are missing Morocco and Sudan that joined later, and I think you underestimate the significance of normalization of relations between Israel and other ME countries. But let's just take a moment to celebrate Obama's Nobel Prize for ???
@AlQuinn Oh I agree on that one, Obama did not deserve a Nobel Prize. Nor did Kissinger for that matter
Yes, we all agree trumps autogolpe was a massive failure. He had no idea how the system works, or where to focus his energy.
Despite that, him weaponising all the legal means available to him (pardons, pressuring other officials to change election results, pressuring the public to protest, pressuring pence to refuse to validate, etc) is sufficient to meet an autogolpe attempt. Being a bad leader (and a bad criminal) doesn’t mean you didn’t try
If trump could have personally declared himself winner of the election he would have (he tried to) and he would have stayed leader if it were up to him. Refusing to comply with transfer of power norms, and refusing to concede, is in itself evidence of an attempted autogolpe.
Or maybe he’s just an edgy sore loser, who never wanted to stay in power? Trumples will always find a cope.
Next response from this guy: “I don’t even like trump”
I think this market has been overlooked, and should resolve YES based on the attempted autogolpe in Brazil. Please go easy on me if I am missing something here. 😆
@Gen it was a coup d'etat attempt not an autogolpe attempt. Bolsonaro wasn't in power anymore.
@FranklinBaldo It was an officially elected leader, using unofficial means to try to cling to power. You don’t have to be in power for it to classify as an autogolpe, it could be the day after an election, or like Jan 6 in the US.
@Gen Bolsonaro wasn't "official" in any capacity at the time.
@FranklinBaldo If you lose ‘official’ power the day before, it’s still an autogolpe. Brazil mirrored US actions which is cited in the description as sufficient for resolution
All Latin reporting uses the Spanish term “autocoup” which is why I found this market had been overlooked. Literally every Spanish or Portuguese speaker has been bombarded with this word lately in regards to Brazil. It absolutely qualifies by every measure of the term - and outlined resolution criteria
@Gen can you provide some examples?
@Gen to be clear: it was a week later, not a day. Lula already have sign decrees, laws, nominate ministers, etc
i gotta sleep, but the only leeway I could see here is that if his “autocoup” attempt that failed miserably, was actually entirely concluded by Jan1 (to not meet criteria)
But it is undeniable he attempted an autogolpe, Jan8 was the final evidence of his desperation. Not a standalone event
the key here just being that it has to be “attempted” which he absolutely did. He didn’t sit back relaxing and then suddenly lose the election and go oh guess it’s coup time
Autocoup attempts for months and months within Brazil, which is the same as in the US, which similarly climaxed in an incredible failure in early January
The questions says "in 2023", so I don't see how this can resolve positively: Either it was in 2022, then it doesn't count because it's not 2023. Or it was in 2023, but Bolsonaro ceased to be president at the end of 2022, it's not an autoglove.