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Will we actually donate Mr. Stone's $271.61 contribution to GiveWell?
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YES

Refers to the donation on the givewell page on /charity at Nov 5, 2022, 3:11:29 PM PDT. (This is the donation made after Mr. Stone incorrectly resolved /stone/will-there-be-a-report-button-withi)

Resolves to YES iff we donate the full amount. Resolves to NO if, like, we reverse the txn or nullify it by adding txns that transfer the donated amount to manifold or to users.

Close date updated to 2022-12-31 11:59 pm

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predictedYES

What ended up happening here?

@IsaacKing yeah we took no action which means it was dispersed when the rest of the q4 donations were

changed my mind on this one, think it should just get donated whether or not we make traders square

predictedYES

@Sinclair If you're making traders square for misresolutions, you should do this one too. It was also a relativly large market, and it didn't even have the noble goal of donating to charity; Alex just wanted to steal other people's mana for personal use.

And Alex still doesn't even have a warning badge next to their name, despite the number of people who have reported their market.

I think it's much more likely that the Bank of Manifold eats the loss compared to Givewell. My internal guesses are like 50% nothing happens (traders eat the loss), 40% Bank makes traders whole, 10% reverse transaction from Givewell

predictedYES

Hard disagree on this one. I strongly believe that it would be good for Manifold to change policy to fix resolutions going forward. But the current policy clearly allowed them to do what they did.

predictedYES

Glad that the rest of the team agrees with me haha :)

I think the value gained by allowing your users to trust that you won't steal their mana just because they did something you consider unethical (that wasn't even against the stated platform rules) is likely worth more than $271.61.

In standup today, I proposed we don't N/A that market, but still take the donation from givewell and put it in @ManifoldMarkets. Everyone else thought this was a hilariously terrible idea ("it's reverse robinhood!") but I stand by it.

  • very easy to implement

  • justly nullifies Mr Stone's winnings

    • if Mr Stone did the right thing, givewell wouldn't get that money, therefore in some sense it isn't justly theirs

  • if made a precedent/policy, it's sufficient to stop sober and calculating users from engaging in similar fraud

  • would givewell even want the winnings? it's probably too small for them to care, but nonprofits typically reject funding that comes from crime, due to reputation and legal risk

Mr. Stone stole my money fair and square!

@Sinclair "crime"?

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