Literally any Starship model ship with a stated destination of 'Mars' counts, yes? Does it count if/when it

• leaves the atmosphere?

• Blows up on the launchpad at ignition?

• Blows up on the launchpad during fueling?

• Falls off a crane while being moved to the launchpad?

@DavidFWatson when it launches successfully. can be a successor to the starship with another name if that happens

@strutheo You may want to require that it goes beyond Earth orbit. The primary challenge will be refueling enough to make that burn. If it can do that, Musk will send it to Mars regardless of how ready anything else is.

@LoganTurner ok

Don’t know how anyone can still be naive enough to believe this guy.

upgrade to basic

2 years in Elon Musk time is 5-10 years