At the end of the year I will make a community poll asking the following question:
"Was manifold.love a mistake?"
This market will resolve after the poll has been up for a week based on poll results. If the poll is somehow compromised due to botting or some other untrustworthy methods, I will work to count non-bots only.
I will NOT bet in this market, and will NOT bet in the poll.
1,000🏅 Top traders
| # | Name | Total profit |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | Ṁ1,537 | |
| 2 | Ṁ1,413 | |
| 3 | Ṁ1,090 | |
| 4 | Ṁ429 | |
| 5 | Ṁ376 |
People are also trading
*lightbulb what if this whole Manifold place were someone's passion project lightbulb occam's razor
I like this thought. It would mean Zuck didn't totally enshittify the WHOLE internet and it's not just Old Internet People who can still create spaces that promote intelligent online conversations.
Okay now that we established this. Why is Manifold still pouring valuable dev time and advertising money into this failed product? I get that Manifold is a startup and sometimes they throw shit at the wall to see if it sticks (although I don't understand why they do this if they already have a successful product). But then why do they keep throwing the same
shit and just hope it will work.
A lot of results merchanting in these comments. A decision is a mistake if it's poorly made: wrong framing, or incompletely thought through, impulsive/emotional, flies in face of evidence, etc. But even if you make only rational, evidence-based decisions with 95% chance of success you'll get bad result one time out of 20. Manifold.love not meeting its goals -- I don't see agreement on what those goals should be either -- isn't the same as baving been a mistake
Not sure if term "results merchanting" is widely used outside competitive duplicate bridge but if it's not it should be.
@ClubmasterTransparent everyone told them it was a bad idea and that it would fail. It went ahead anyway. Then it failed.
@ClubmasterTransparent “One who evaluates bids and plays according to their outcome, rather than to their intrinsic merit” (Wiktionary)
@ClubmasterTransparent I was pessimistic about Manifold Love since inception, as were several users. All of the major flaws were predictable, and there are critical markets and Discord messages dating (ha) back months to prove it. You don’t even have to leave this page; just scroll down to the early comments on this market.
I hope people will vote honestly and not try to game the poll since that hurts the predictive value of these questions
Starting manifold.love was a mistake for "Manifold the hypergrowth startup", not a mistake for "Manifold, the rationalist community infrastructure team". From the second perspective there were plenty of execution mistakes, maybe even fatal ones, but the idea has merits.
Less DAUs than NO betters right now
The current featureset is a dead end, but from what I've heard in the community call they're going to add normal features (open questions, match percentages) too.
@ManifoldLove has a profit of Ṁ71,000 at the moment, so maybe it's NOT a mistake! Wait a second... @ManifoldLove bets NO on all of the relationship questions, so its profitability should be inversely correlated to likelihood that manifold.love might actually produce lasting relationships. So, yeah.
(I might be a little salty because that dumb bot is in my League and it's basically impossible for me to compete against it)
@DanielParker @SirSalty We need to remove ManifoldLove from the League.
@DanielParker I would give it a 99% chance to be removed by the end of the month. You should make a market about it!
@DanielParker A bot is in a league? Why is this bot privileged above all the Silicon League bots? It's almost like the humanity-ending AI is trojan-horsing everyone and sneaking in as a bot betting on dating relationships, while some fools were hoping for hot virtual sex bot girl.
I think given the projected 10%+ chance of 1,000 DAUs in a few months it's hard to say it's a mistake ex ante.
@MartinRandall If I had already merged my ‘react to a comment with a bet’ PR I would’ve bet in support of this comment
@ian first of all, the reply with a bet feature looks really cool. And second, I think it's really cool that the team tried out a direction that seemed promising and as such will not and should not see this attempt as a mistake. I also think that the manifold community at large doesn't really care and would be pretty neutral to it and won't call it a mistake.
@MartinRandall DAUs is not a good metric for whether something failed or not in this case. I think it will be considered a failure if the amount of relationships it develops is very low.
@MartinRandall I could say the opposite about this market. No way it doesn't even manage a measly 1000 signups in a month and doesn't get seen as a mistake. https://manifold.markets/MrLuke255/will-manifoldlove-reach-1000-signup-50fc7c2eb586 .
