Obviously, I didn't expect this market to go until October. I apologize to anyone whose mana was held hostage and to anyone who has lost mana off of this saga. I didn't expect these technicalities and didn't write anything into the description, but I made a commitment here to resolve this market in accordance with admin actions, as opposed to the league standings as of close. In accordance with the statement of trustworthy-ish users (as delegated by David), I am resolving this market to Marcus.

@Joshua is this like, an official ruling that warrants a resolution?

The more official announcement will be posted shortly if no one in the chat objects to the wording

Here you go!

@SirSalty what's the status? a lot of mana in flux here

@SirSalty please wait a bit longer I just created a meta-market.

@SemioticRivalry

Lmao

@BenjaminShindel can I declare this market as a tax writeoff?

@BenjaminShindel I want it to be known that $14k locked up in this market. Could have bet on more markets with it

Lol

@BenjaminShindel you may rest now ❤

Please resolve

Please don't

@BenjaminShindel

So I don't think it would be for the best for this or other markets to resolve early, but I'll point out that technically I think you could be justified in resolving to Marcus if you think that he would have won if no site rules were broken.

The policy set in the mana billionaire market is that we are supposed to ignore any exploits or rule-breaking that would effect a resolution and resolve as if the rule-breaking hadn't happened, or N/A the market if that's not possible.

But as I said, I think we should wait for an official ruling from SirSalty.

@Joshua @SemioticRivalry Y’all are insane and this market is getting 1 star no matter how it’s resolved. You’re betting in your own markets and hoping/actively lobbying for intervention from admins.

(edit: ok this was a little harsh, I’ll probably do 4 stars tbh :P )

I mean the admins have been clear there will probably be intervention, they're just very busy.

@BenjaminShindel This market has been held up for two weeks. It’s over. Create a separate market for whether mana totals will get adjusted but the standings have been posted for weeks. I don’t care what’s happening on the discord. It’s not transparent, it’s not fair, and it’s not in the spirit of the question.

I agree it's taken way too long, but again the policy is that we're supposed to ignore rule-breaking for resolutions. So if this resolved now, it would resolve against the rule-breaking. I don't think that would be fair until we get an official judgment though.

@Joshua there would have to be

1) evidence the rule-breaking was in excess of 40k mana

2) they would have to retroactively adjust the standings to account for that

@BenjaminShindel Otherwise this should still resolve for PC.

People have done the mana-accounting in the other threads, PC got ~33K profit on this market and Wiggleman had ~33k lost. That is also the margin of victory by which he is ahead, and this is without the profit transfers from other markets and the general fact that people stopped betting against him when they saw he was ahead but he was only ahead because of profit laundering.

@BenjaminShindel i don't care how this resolves, i'm getting the same profit no matter what.

no one here is arguing to benefit themselves, it's just about what is fair.

and if this resolves to PC then leagues is kind of dead since 2 people with the most mana can just profit swap every month.

also you only have 200 locked up in this. chill. @SemioticRivalry will get 5/5 from me just for waiting no matter what the final resolution is. :))

Agreed, I think Semiotic is being very reasonable through all this and it's not fair to threaten him with bad reviews bc the admins are too busy. I'm also pretty hedged on these markets in general iirc, but I will argue fiercely that leagues is only fun when winning actually means something and therefore stuff like this has to be reversed if the admin want people to care about the competition.

And a correction to what I said above about wiggleman losing 33k, he actually lost FOURTY THREE:

@Joshua @nickten the outcome of this market has no bearing on whether ppl will continue to do this going forward; only admins’ actions will. Those are two separate questions. (Admins should just disallow profit transfers bc that’s always been extremely abusable). I don’t care about my mana being locked up btw, 200 is nothing.

What this WILL do is set a precedent of resolving markets based on technicalities and ex-post-facto adjustments to the criteria.

@BenjaminShindel we're waiting for those admins’ actions.

btw which answer is the technicality and who won "in the spirit"? :))