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Is Elon a Nazi sympathizer?
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Background

Elon Musk is a prominent tech entrepreneur and CEO of multiple companies including Tesla, SpaceX, and X (formerly Twitter). The question of his ideological alignment has been debated due to his public statements, actions, and associations. Some of his controversial actions include supporting far-right political parties like the Alternative for Germany (AfD), spreading misinformation about historical events, and making gestures that some have interpreted as Nazi symbolism.

Resolution Criteria

This market will resolve based on clear, documented evidence from reputable sources that definitively demonstrates Elon Musk meets the scholarly definition of fascism. For resolution purposes, fascism is defined by the following core elements (all must be present):

  1. Ultra-nationalism

  2. Totalitarian aims

  3. Anti-democratic ideology

  4. Use of violence or force as a political tool

  5. Belief in a natural social hierarchy

  6. Opposition to liberalism and socialism

The market will resolve YES if there is clear evidence Musk meets all these criteria through his actions and stated beliefs. It will resolve NO if any of these elements cannot be definitively proven.

Considerations

  • Personal opinions, interpretations of statements, or circumstantial evidence will not be considered for resolution

  • Supporting right-wing politics alone does not constitute fascism

  • The resolution criteria uses an academic definition of fascism rather than colloquial usage

  • Actions and statements must be verified through multiple reputable sources

  • Historical context and scholarly analysis will be considered in evaluation

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This market should have resolved NO since the description had a very high bar "clear evidence Musk meets all [6 of] these criteria" and that bar wasn't met

This happens like every week

@Panfilo he sympathizes with the types of people who sympathize with Nazis, but he does not directly sympathize with Nazis. I don't think it's transitive, otherwise somebody would be a Nazi-sympathizer for sympathizing with Elon, and so on.

@mods can you resolve no or at least N/A so I can get my mana back.

@traders do we just resolve this NO? how can we definitively prove any of the criteria? I'll leave it open for responses.. briefly

@Gen Please do not just resolve it No. I bet based on this being a subjective resolver who bet Yes and said that indicated "where he stood" as of ten months ago. Also, there is a huge corpus of priors. He reposted a bunch of nazi memes for years, sieg heiled in public twice, believes in white genocide, etc.

@Panfilo Could you provide the required evidence for each item? For instance: that he’s considered opposed to liberalism

@Panfilo exactly

@Gen how about a poll?

@ikoukas The @creator described at length what would make this resolve positively and said that "It will resolve NO if any of these elements cannot be definitively proven". It didn't say a poll would decide it.

I'm repulsed by some of Musk's Nazi-like behavior, but that doesn't justify a rugpull here.

@ikoukas isn't this market a poll in and of itself?

@Berg approximately, though I think the answer is definitely yes, but still bet no because I know people won't agree

@Berg markets are not polls, because you are predicting what you think an outcome will be, not necessarily what you think it is, should be, or want it to be

I don't think Musk meets the criteria 1-3. For example, his support for legal immigration, H-1B visas, color blindness, etc. shows that he's not ultra-nationalistic. At the very least, you cannot "definitively prove" that he is ultra-nationalistic, which is what the market description requires.

@ItsMe he only supports the smartest people for immigration, to hire at his companies. He certainly is pro eugenics, but I agree, the market criteria are difficult to be proven.

@Gen Without the original creator, this is a clear N/A. A council of mods answering this question is weirder than just N/Aing it.

@Panfilo This is clearly not an N/A. Once again, the @creator described the resolution criteria in detail. And this excerpt was included specifically to avoid an N/A: "The market will resolve YES if there is clear evidence Musk meets all these criteria through his actions and stated beliefs. It will resolve NO if any of these elements cannot be definitively proven."

I understand you have an enormous stake in a YES resolution, but if you want this to resolve YES, you should start citing the links to credible sources that provide evidence for every single one of the 7 items. The people saying this shouldn't resolve as NO haven't even started.

My NO stake here is tiny, but I'm just disappointed that people don't want to resolve this fairly.

this is overly broad and the determination is probably too vague

opened a Ṁ150 YES at 25% order

The answer is no, obviously, but the issue is the resolution criteria: "reputable sources" are known for being comically liberal with their application of the term (especially against those whom they dislike — like Elon).

Given that, and OP purchasing shares in YES, I think NO is overvalued.

@Lexer this is an extremely valid question/concern and the answer is definitely NOT an obvious “no”

It is a hard yes but I'm sure he understand it and try to hide the evidence or at least make it ambiguous

filled aṀ100YES at 60% order

@SantosHermanLopez why are you betting on your own market?

@Daniel_MC Because it was an option, and because I wanted to make it clear where I stand. I simply asked because of what I have seen. I never listen to what they say I watch what they do.

filled a Ṁ50 YES at 40% order

My Elon is not a fascist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a fascist, but he is NOT a porn star! [semicit]

@FabioFabbrifabione hey how DARE you call him a pig, they're cute and kind and in no way deserving of comparison to that piece of trash

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