10k deaths within what timescale? You could argue we've already passed that point, with the number of right-wing """lone gunmen""" we've seen spree-kill, sometimes with impunity.

How do you count paramilitary forces? Vigilantes? Grassroots militias? Police?

@Lorxus I don’t put them into account but you can make a suggestion

@OnurcanYasar Given the US's current state of "cold civil war", and the rising international significance of non-state forces in civil conflicts, I think all of those should count.

@OnurcanYasar You should probably just include civilian deaths too. Since 10,000 civilians being killed in mobs fighting each other would be major enough on its own, even without counting "military deaths".

@ScroogeMcDuck The key detail isn't which types of personnel die. It's that the cause was a giant social conflict, where 2 or more sides within the country began killing each other, in significant numbers (in this case, must be 10k or more to count).

@Lorxus That’s a good point, but I don’t want stuff like separatist movements or small scale conflicts like military revolts to count as civil war.

@OnurcanYasar Ok - then figure out how to ask that question. Currently, your question is too vague to even try to answer.

@ScroogeMcDuck The problem with that is that the fight for power within the States is still resolved with elections to the largest extent. If every year 200 democrats or republicans get killed then on aggregate you get to the 10 000, but it would not constitute a civil war. Or things like lynch mobs against black people in the past, they are tragic, despicable acts, but don’t constitute a civil war

@Lorxus There is nothing vague about 10 T deaths within 3 years only military personnel. What is vague about that?

@OnurcanYasar Ah, I meant 10k deaths e.g. within a year, not 200 per year for 50 years.

I am not even aware of any decade that had 10k lynchings (black nor white) in America, let alone e.g. a year. I agree we could have a clause to exclude an astronomically record-breaking number of of lynchings that also somehow wasn't a civil war.

@ScroogeMcDuck *(I see the update added specifying a 3 year timeframe, that works)

@ScroogeMcDuck Yeah that makes sense

@ScroogeMcDuck Seeing your history of well placed bets, what do you think about prospects of a civil war?