The US just attacked Venezuela and reportedly captured President Maduro. Will Venezuelans as a whole be better off at the end of 2026 compared to the end of 2025? Resolves based on my personal knowledge and understanding.
I will not bet in this market. I will try to be unbiased, but I am a Democrat who is generally doubtful of America attacking other countries. I am also not a fan of Maduro.
I will attempt to find trustworthy and objective criteria and reporting to inform the resolution, and may run a poll asking what people think about whether Venezuelans are better off. However, if suitable objective criteria cannot be found, the market will resolve based on my subjective judgment.
A trustworthy poll of Venezuelans would themselves asking if they're better off would be the gold standard if available.
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@SaviorofPlant and history suggests US occupation consistently improves conditions on the ground
@SaviorofPlant but the improvement in the lives of a few million Venezuelanas have to offset the overall cost of breaking international law, with the increased risks for future peace
@SaviorofPlant see the market creator clarification:
https://manifold.markets/Gabrielle/will-venezuelans-be-better-off-at-t#mx7iea22kaa
@MiguelLM Oh I see. I think the economic improvement that can be expected here just from the lifting of US sanctions is substantial, but it will take a long time to make Venezuela's oil industry functional again, so there is a stronger NO case knowing this about the market's resolution
@MiguelLM https://x.com/paulmcleary/status/2007493532291063962
I'm not sure if this means "the VP will take over and listen to whatever I tell them" or "US troops will literally run the government" but I think the odds of an anti-US regime persisting through the threat of another coup, at least in the short term, are <10%
Base rates, folks.
@MachiNi I don’t trust myself to pick a set of objective criteria that I have faith will be trustworthy and meaningful. GDP is meaningless for a resource extractor, polling is easy to fake, etc.
If I’m presented with a set of possible criteria, I’ll strongly consider them, and I’ll put some time into thinking about criteria, but I don’t have anything I’m happy to go with immediately. Comparing country-size populations over time objectively is notoriously difficult.
@MachiNi Vibes are the default, but I’ll do my best to find objective criteria that seem accurate and to find reporting that looks at this question. I might also choose to run a poll asking what people think. (Unfortunately I doubt I’ll be able to run a poll of Venezuelans asking them if they’re better off, but a trustworthy poll asking that would be the gold standard.)
@Martlet If there really is a preponderance of evidence, and the evidence is trustworthy, I’ll follow that. But as a whole, I am interested in them being meaningfully better, something worth breaking international law.
I am interested in them being meaningfully better, something worth breaking international law.
Thanks for the clarification. I suggest incorporating this into the resolution criteria, as it is a significant consideration.
The use of force against a sovereign state to remove a head of state raises serious concerns under international law, particularly regarding the UN Charter’s prohibition on the use of force and respect for state sovereignty. This could establish a precedent with broader implications if other major powers adopt similar actions in the future.
Accordingly, any requirement that improvements in Venezuelans’ living conditions outweigh these legal and normative costs would imply an exceptionally high bar.
@Gabrielle "worthy of breaking international law" is totally subjective. Some people would break international law for ten dollars, some people wouldn't do it to stop a genocide. The majority of Afghans polled in the 2000s/2010s said they had become better off since America's invasion, but lots of people still thought the invasion was morally wrong.
@Gen this order stays for 1 day, because it'll be clear pretty quickly if this becomes continued war or not