[Incentive-aligned Futarchy; read description] If I send 8192 mana to this user, will they double it and pass it on?
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See here for context on "double it and pass it on": https://manifold.markets/Quroe/how-many-manifolders-will-double-it-d9q609ZP6R

This is 95% inspired by this market: https://manifold.markets/Robincvgr/futarchy-if-i-send-4096-mana-to-thi?r=Y2Fsb3Vy

I have to send 8192 mana to someone by Oct 14, 2025, 09:38 AM, and they then have to double it and pass it on. I want to choose someone who is incentivized to double it.

Feel free to add any users EXCEPT 121, Tumbles, Orangey, Conflux, or existing chain links (bens, Quroe, strutheo, SimonWestlake, MylieSiegel, MaxE, Jasonb, Nat, Robincvgr, calour). Any invalid options will be immediately N/Aed.

The option for the user I sent the mana to resolves YES if they double it it and pass it on in the correct way and NO otherwise, and all other options resolve N/A.

How I will choose the recipient:

In order to be eligible to receive the mana, you must be incentivized to double it and pass it on. You can do this by buying 16385 YES shares of your own option here. NO shares on the "9" option on this market are equivalent and also accepted: https://manifold.markets/Quroe/how-many-manifolders-will-double-it-d9q609ZP6R?r=Y2Fsb3Vy. If you own YES shares on "9" or NO shares on "10"/"11"/"≥12", they will count against the amount of shares you have.

You may find it difficult to find a counterparty, since you can't bet the AMM above 99%. To solve this, place a 99% YES limit order (the "Max YES payout" tells you how much shares you would be buying), private message me a good trading tip, and the DIAPIO financial complex will fill the limit order if the trading tip isn't stupid (e.g. "buy low, sell high" or "bet 10k YES on daily coinflip").

If multiple people meet the criteria, I will send the mana to the person whoever had the highest time-weighted average probability of passing it on over the final hour before closing, in order to avoid last minute manipulation. (exact hour TBA)

If no one is eligible, I will choose a recipient according to some other algorithm. If this new recipient is already added to this market, the resolution is the same as before. Otherwise, all options resolve N/A.

Related markets: https://manifold.markets/news/double-it-ep-2, derivative markets of this market are discouraged.

The final hour of this market will be 10:00 to 11:00 PDT on Oct 13, 2025 (13:00-14:00 EDT, 19:00 to 20:00 CEST)

Answer submissions will be disabled several 13 hours before close, at 10:00 PDT / 01:00 EDT / 07:00 CEST.

  • Update 2025-10-12 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): To be eligible to receive the mana, users who place limit orders must also send a trading tip to the creator (as specified in the description). The limit order alone is not sufficient.

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@snazzlePop You're still a few hundred shares short btw but the liquidity is there to get you there

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@MRME im not going to change how this market works, but you might want to post this on the main market by @Quroe.

@MRME That is a difficult statement for me to shame.

That being said, if you think you can withstand the same public shaming I put BenS through, you can certainly try this campaign.

You have been trustworthy with loans that we've negotiated in the past. You are welcome to post what you said here on the main market and state your case to the community.

@MRME Yup! You're on the money.

@MRME The full saga can be explored with this dashboard.

opened a Ṁ15,000 YES at 99.0% order

@calour limit orders up

@snazzlePop you need to send me a trading tip per the description

@snazzlePop also my math might be wrong but after I fill the limit order, you would be at 16055 shares, about 300 short.

@calour dm’ed you.

I put up more limit orders ; is that enough yet?

@snazzlePop you still need about M350 more YES (so M400 including the existing M51)

@calour dammit.

Ugh I’m too dumb for this.

More limit orders up. I’m reluctant to make much more or else I’ll run out of mana to double it — hopefully it’s now enough.

@snazzlePop I don’t understand how it went from being M300 short to M400

@snazzlePop

I don't see any limit orders?

@calour they got slurped up. I think @Robincvgr filled some. (?)

Also check the main market too, where I mistakenly also bought a bunch of NO shares of 10 instead 9 🤦

fwiw the only reason i excluded conflux on my market is because i think they are very trustworthy and wanted to save them for link 9 or 10

More futarchy 😍

I can already count three flaws with the incentive structure. ~~First person to private message me any three flaws wins M100.~~

this bounty had been collected

@mods Is one flaw that this market is ranked?

@Quroe I don't see any reason why this should be unranked?

@calour Almost every other "Double It" market has been unranked so far. It's ultimately up to Manifold to call the shot on that one.

If this is unranked, the inspiration market should be unranked too.

@Quroe it doesn't seem to meet any of these criteria, idk how up to date this document is though: https://manifoldmarkets.notion.site/Guidance-for-running-a-market-8cb4257ed3644ec9a1d6cc6c705f7c77

@calour It is certainly a corner case.

@Quroe it should be unranked bc the outcome is entirely dependent on a person taking action (similar to Personal Goals markets etc where the outcome is directly related to someone choosing to do/not do the thing) so I'm unranking.

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