If human brain emulations are created, will the 10 highest GDP nations all have granted them human rights after a year?
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The emulations would not have to be uploads of specific human brains, nor would they need to be running in real-time.

A working definition of a human brain emulation could be a computer program that:

  1. Can perform any cognitive task at a standard equal or greater than the 10th percentile of the global biological human population

  2. Can consistently pass a strong adversarial Turing test

  3. Is known to have its cognition emerge entirely from internal structures and rules analogous to that of biological human brains down to the neuron level

The nations are those with the top 10 GDPs at the end of the year in question.

By human rights, I mean the same primary legal rights and protections as the biological human population of each nation (e.g. protection from murder, torture, theft, slavery etc), not necessarily conforming to the UN or EU declarations of human rights. Trivial legal differences that do not noticeably effect quality of life for those involved are ignored.

If the rights were already pre-emptively granted to emulations before the first ones are created, that still counts.

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@Clark care to explain your confidence?

Without a clear definition of brain emulation, the question is somewhat tautological, because the non-granting of human rights would certainly be justified by the stance that they are not real human brain emulations.

@Jan53274 I'm not an expert in this, but one possible definition could be a computer program that:

  1. Can perform any cognitive task at a standard equal or greater than the 10th percentile of the global biological human population

  2. Can consistently pass a strong adversarial Turing test

  3. Is known to have its cognition emerge entirely from internal structures and rules analogous to that of biological human brains down to the neuron level

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@TheAllMemeingEye thank you! In that case I'm confident that the first versions that passes this criterias are highly modified an lobotomizes and don't have the informations of one specific human like a upload would have.

@Jan53274 wouldn't being lobotomised destroy its ability to meet the first 2 criteria? Lobotomised humans are often depicted in fiction as unable to do anything but sit and drool right?

@TheAllMemeingEye Not if you lobotomise and then (re)train it. So you emulate the brain architecture without it's informations on subneuronal levels.

@Jan53274 maybe we're using different definitions of lobotomy? I thought it was

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when someone sticks a skewer through your nose or eye into your brain and pokes around to basically mash a specific region into mush, leaving you with permanent severe brain damage that prevents you from ever relearning the lost abilities

@TheAllMemeingEye It was meant metaphorical. A digital brain has no nose and deleting the charge of digital neurons should work different. More likely is the emulation of the neuronal mesh without retrieving the informations of real neurons. Consious could form in this brain like in a fetus, but there would most likely not be a "finished human" demanding rights.

@Jan53274 "a digital brain has no nose" might go in my out-of-context quotes market 😆

Ftr, wouldn't perceiving nasal sensory information count as one of the cognitive tasks required for the first criteria?

Do I understand correctly that you mean the first emulations would likely be pre-programmed to be hyper obedient, with defacto Stockholm syndrome, and thus wouldn't 'want' rights even if they are being abused and would definitely benefit from them?

@TheAllMemeingEye No, I just think it will be very controversial what will count as human brain emulation. You can certainly train many cognitive processes within a virtual brain. But it would be plausible to train a kind of GPT-6 in the virtual human neocortex, while other areas of the brain, where human consciousness actually resides, remain dormant. It would then be a empty virtual human brain with a completely inhuman consciousness - even if it can fake humanness, like GTP-4.

@Jan53274 hmmm, perhaps, though my intuitive credence is roughly 25% that it's even possible to run inhuman binary-computing-inspired cognition on an emulated human brain without that in turn being emulated on the human-like cognition like when we do mental math

@Jan53274 I don't think the current outlook for human mind emulation is based on something like an LLM. The idea is to be able to scan and model every component of the brain, at the level of the individual neuron or lower.

@BrunoParga sure this ist the goal, but before we are able so scan a human brain down to the neuronal level we will just simulate single neurons and scale it up to the whole brain like the Human Brain Project did. I'm certain that this "brain" can have some form of intelligence and even consciousness, but is it a human brain emulation? its internal structures and rules are based on a human brain, but not on its connectom or the charge of single neurons. for example: Is the Blue Brain Project a mouse brain emulation or just a simplified simulation?

@Jan53274 gotcha. I am not knowledgeable enough to add meaningfully to that conversation.

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Qntm will be very disappointed in humanity if the answer ends up being no lol

@TheAllMemeingEye recognizing the rights of non-wetware brains is an obviously correct thing, so there's a decent chance it won't be done.

@BrunoParga shit you got me there

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