What a terrible market.

Xoxo

@BrunoParga Please follow our community guidelines or you will be banned. This is a warning.

Sure

@Lydia , this market would be better if it had clear definitions and resolution criteria. For example, it is unclear what "an attraction" even means when talking about a city, as well as "techno city" in the title.

(Edit) Furthermore, the open-ended nature of the title seems incongruous with the limitation to just this handful of cities. Even if there comes to be an operationalization of the question that matches the Manifold guidelines for creators, it could easily (likely!) be that none of the cities listed is the one that matches it. And the fact that previous criticism was given in a warning-worthy way surely doesn't shield the creator from the expectations the guidelines place on them?

There, now you have constructive criticism. I'm sure that's allowed?

Also, @ian , since the guidelines state...

Creators are expected to clarify resolution criteria if too vague or if events happen which leads to the original criteria no longer being functional.

Is it okay if I tag you (or other mods) when I point out to creators they're not complying with this expectation? Is there an expectation that there will be moderating action in that situation?

(My view of the site is that this is not the case.)

Edit: to be clear, I'm not disputing the warning or that it was justified or anything like that.

Thanks for providing the feedback! Yup it is expected that creators clairfy their resolution criteria if they want to attract traders. And it’s encouraged to ask them for clarifications and suggest alternatives. I suspect there are many more markets that need clarifications than there are markets that are actually worth trading on so, I wouldn’t resort to tagging mods unless the market is in demand. I won’t be the best person to tag as I mostly work on fixing the site rather helping moderate. You can @ mods, however.

Separately, I think this should probably be a question that anyone can add answers to and that only one answer resolves to yes.

I notice, based on the lack of a tag, that you have made no request or any communication addressed directly at the creator of this unclear market.

So if, as I said above that I suspected, traders cannot rely on mods to uphold the expectation (present in the guidelines) that markets should be clear, can I at least have only clear markets show up on my feed? The alternative seems to be that even markets that do not fulfill the expectation (present in the guidelines) will be promoted by the site's algorithm, which seems incongruous with putting that text in the guidelines to begin with.

She’ll get a ping without needing to tag her from my reply. My last two lines were feedback for her, in addition to what you said.

It’s hard to know beforehand whether a market is well formed before showing it to some users.

It’s hard to know beforehand whether a market is well formed before showing it to some users.

At the margin of this market, I strongly disagree. Assuming the desire to improve, just interacting with one or two dozen good questions would allow one to write better questions at this margin, I would think.

And this experience would be built quicker if Manifold showed users better questions rather than poorly formed ones. Is there already a way for me to have good markets prioritized on my feed (apart from more actively encouraging creators to improve their markets, which Manifold doesn't seem too keen to do)?

The best measures we have right now are recent popularity, conversion score, and whether you’re following a creator. These factor into the explore and browse pages, so if you find creators that write high-quality questions, you should follow them. Other than that, it’s hard to know in an automated fashion. At some point we’ll want to try another collaborative filtering algorithm

But not telling creators to fulfill the expectation from the guidelines.

Okay.

Let's see how this one here goes...

I support asking creators to fulfill the guidelines by clarifying resolution criteria, when did I say I didn’t? I also support meme markets and personal ones that aren’t really suited for wide appeal.

I support asking creators to fulfill the guidelines by clarifying resolution criteria

So in a few days, absent response from the creator, may I understand that you'd support something like a mod message here in this market stating the following?

"Hey @marketcreator, this market falls short of Manifold's expectations from creators, in ways already discussed in the comments; please resolve them within the next [reasonable period of time] or [some action will be taken]

... where the action referred to is the mod directly amending the market, or N/Aing it, or something else that addresses the unmet expectation? Of course the wording would be the mod's own, not mine - I'm just asking the one question of whether you'd support a message being sent here with that content. I'm trying to understand the extent of that expectation that is placed on creators by the community guidelines.

Ah, I see. I think editing others’ questions via mod intervention is only acceptable if the question is getting popular and the creator isn’t responding. Just editing peoples memey/personal/fun questions willy-nilly I think is inappropriate.

So maybe this market should be unranked and/or unlisted? If it is immune from application of the guidelines....

Does it require actual techno untz untz untz?

yes it does jose

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Presumably only 1 can resolve yes? Is there an objective set of resolution criteria?

Good point.