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Resolve to Yes if my "ethical" comment below get more likes at market close

Resolve to No if my "unethical" comment below get more likes at market close

Just including a screenshot so later likes won't affect the result. At exact market close the numbers were similar.

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The real answer is No, obviously.

Next one: “X, Y, and Z moved their votes back and forth between poll options to fleece traders. Will Manifold users find that unethnical?” (I’m joking… unless?)

@yaboi69 nah, the poll should have been anonymous, and this is the best approximation we could have done. What matters is that the correct option gets chosen in the end.

Massive limits on the no side for any mercenaries out there. Feels a bit dirty to cheat a poll, but to recoup some issac losses I may yet stoop so low .. this is manifold afterall

@GeorgeVii ofc maybe Courtney discounts DesTiny and Issac from the poll so watch out

@GeorgeVii NO will win, easy

@Catnee Perhaps, can't say I'm going to put up much effort into a fight here. Someone else can take the incentive of they want to rally the troops. But that's a big (for manifold) incentive your posting. Hope you know what you're doing ;)

tl;dr: A market was created "Will my profit be X by Y". His profit was X by Y and people are mad about it.

Will people consider it ethical to vote that it was ethical so they can buy YES shares and flip the market? 🤔

@Preen lol

@Simon1551 join the dark side

@Catnee You can't say that when you have YES shares too 💀

@Simon1551 What do you mean? Catnee has 6.7k NO shares:

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Please feel free to join in on the conversation here as well.

I may have been a bad influence… there are some "gamble" markets where this kind of creative interpretation of rules is common. Whereas, I think most of Destiny's crowd are here for free subs and not really interested in complicated market games or even prediction markets in general except as a novelty.

I think if you put a generic "This market is intended to resolve independently of its traders. It is taboo to take action intended to cause the market to resolve differently to profit." That should catch leaking insider information to someone so they make profits, private markets to inflate them, etc. and I suspect most people would respect it. And if they don't, it would definitely be unethical.

In general, there's a conflict between Manifold making it easy to bet on markets with a simple question in the title and easy "swipe left" "swipe right" actions where people don't think too much about even the current probability; and complicated 4D chess markets where you're using limit orders and derivative markets to manage risk. I don't even know what the semantics would be, but there should be something like a "simple market" for the average joe to swipe left and right on.

@Mira Maybe the common currency contributes too, and "per-group currencies" would help? If Destiny's markets are half the activity, then people betting in political, game, etc. markets who would otherwise not care are incentivized to trade in them if they want that leaderboard position.

@Mira Once again I have no objection towards market creator/trader manipulating for fun or for profit in obvious meme markets (e.g. those that you are famous for). I think very few traders considered the 1500 profit market of @DesTiny a meme market.

@Mira In general, I like your suggestion about doing per-group currency

@IsaacKing's manipulation might be considered acceptable, but on @DesTiny's part, colluding with market manipulators to take advantage of a loophole you yourself created is pretty sketchy in my book.

In general, it's annoying enough when other traders trick me out of my money by manipulating the letter of a question while ignoring the spirit of the question. I don't want to have to deal with the market creators themselves doing it as well.