What are some possible cascading effects from the hurricane at Mexico right now that would or would not qualify for this?

@Eliza that's a large possibility space! have ideas in mind? in worst case scenarios, I could see failing infrastructure leading to famine, widespread disease, etc.

@Stralor I guess I am kind of asking about which portion of the cascade must be the 'natural disaster'

In your example of an earthquake leading to a nuclear plant disaster, the natural disaster part started it, and the subsequent effect was not itself 'caused by' a natural disaster.

In your example of a temperature anomaly, the temperature anomaly itself may not have been a 'natural disaster' but the sea level rise certainly would be.

So in this case, if the hurricane is the 'natural disaster' part, does a cascading effect need to be a second natural disaster? Or, for example, could "1000 people died and Acapulco turned out worse than New Orleans after Katrina" be the cascading effect?

@Eliza the initial event must be natural. temperature anomaly is not a disaster in itself (it seems I forgot to include potential cascading effects on that one, I've added them now).

"Natural": the inciting event is not directly done by human actions or technology (e.g., AI, nukes), but can be triggered by anthropogenic effects (e.g., climate change).

the cascading effect must more or less be a secondary disaster. deaths by hurricane are not secondary, but widespread sickness due to contaminated ground water post-hurricane would be.

@Stralor actually thinking about this more, it could be argued that antarctic shelf detachment and sea level rises are separate disasters, which was probably my original intention. in any case, I expect those three ( detachment -> sea level -> migration ) to happen more or less together regardless and would qualify

@Stralor I think that helps a lot.

So this hurricane would certainly qualify as the first part of a cascade, but some new effect beyond direct "Hurricane immediately caused this" situation must arise for this to resolve yes.

I am going to just list a few things that aren't even particularly likely, just to see if you can help shape this better for participants. If you have the energy to reply which ones might qualify as the second part of a cascade:

• a great number of people who lost their homes in Acapulco attempt to cross into the United States and the news refers to it as a 'crisis at the border caused by the hurricane'

• ...same situation, but the USA goes to war with Mexico over it

• destruction resulting from the hurricane results in a massive decrease in Tourism for Acapulco in 2024, local reports describe it as a "crisis" or similar, economic situation is dire by the end of 2024

@Eliza great!

So this hurricane would certainly qualify as the first part of a cascade, but some new effect beyond direct "Hurricane immediately caused this" situation must arise for this to resolve yes.

Correct

a great number of people who lost their homes in Acapulco attempt to cross into the United States and the news refers to it as a 'crisis at the border caused by the hurricane'

Yes, if clearly linked like that news example

...same situation, but the USA goes to war with Mexico over it

yep

destruction resulting from the hurricane results in a massive decrease in Tourism for Acapulco in 2024, local reports describe it as a "crisis" or similar, economic situation is dire by the end of 2024

this one is difficult to call. I'd say No, except for the "economic situation is dire" part. would hinge on how/what that looked like

This seems interesting. Much detail about the survivors

“With thousands of displaced people now on the move, the risk of exposure to landmines and Explosive Ordnance of War (ERW) leftover from years of conflict is on the rise, as flood waters have now shifted landmines and ERW,” OCHA said.

Almost 300,000 children who were exposed to the flooding due to Storm Daniel face increased risk of cholera, malnutrition, diarrhea, and dehydration. The children also face “increased risks of violence and exploitation,”

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/16/world/libya-flood-death-toll-rise-derna-intl-hnk/index.html

Libya floods death toll rises to 11,300 in Derna, UN says | CNN

The death toll from devastating flooding in Libya’s eastern coastal city of Derna has risen to at least 11,300, according to a UN report released Saturday, as search efforts continue.

Im still predicting 50% since the date this market closes, I feel it is more likely to happen than current predictions.

@SirCryptomind oof tough article to read. thanks for sharing; you're right that the details about the survivors are really indicating the depth of the crisis – and also much more in the direction of a YES, but still remain as complications rather than secondary disasters. Well spotted!

Would this count? If its a NO, can you elaborate why not or how future updates on this could end up resolving it as YES?

https://www.cnn.com/2023/09/08/africa/morocco-6-8-magnitude-earthquake-intl-hnk/index.html

Powerful earthquake strikes Morocco, killing 300 and damaging historic Marrakech | CNN

A powerful 6.8-magnitude earthquake struck Morocco Friday night, killing nearly 300 people and forcing many residents to spend the night in the streets in what the United States Geological Survey (USGS) said was the strongest tremor to hit that part of the North African nation in more than a century.

@SirCryptomind It seems to hit "Catastrophic" "Natural" and "Disaster" but misses the mark on "Cascading", as it hasn't created further disasters (such as nuclear plant meltdown) in a clear way. In case it's unclear, I consider aftershocks to be an expected effect of the earthquake itself, not a new disaster that has been created by it

@Stralor Very good explanation , thank you! Makes total sense.

Kudos for clear criteria

@cloudprism ty :)