Will the LK-99 room temp, ambient pressure superconductivity pre-print replicate before 2025?
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Preprint here:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12008

Companion paper here with description of synthesis:

https://arxiv.org/abs/2307.12037

Update 2023-08-05:

Updating to answer some more common questions. If anything here differs from the 2023-07-27 update, this update should supersede that one. I believe what I have written below maintains the spirit of the market and preserves its predictivity against weird edge cases.

Materials Impurities:

This question is specifically about LK-99. In the absence of overwhelming expert consensus (see below about resolution caveats), adding materials not in the original synthesis or characterization (replacing Cu with Au, Ag, etc) will not count toward a YES resolution. 

Removing impurities (like CuS) is OK.

Increasing impurities that were also present in LK-99 original XRD is OK, up to a point. I think I would be more accepting of this is it’s convincingly shown that the impurities are important to the superconductivity of LK-99. 

Synthesis of LK-99 by other means is totally fine, as long as the material characterization satisfies the criteria above. 

Superconductivity:

The original intent of this market was to bet on whether LK-99 exhibited the hallmarks of traditional superconductivity, but there have been a few questions on what happens if LK-99 is regions of 1D superconductivity in an insulating matrix, so it doesn’t display the expected R = 0 behavior below Tc. 

At this point, I’m going to hew to the original resolution criteria, in order of importance. 

Demonstration of:

  1. Meissner effect

  2. R = 0 below Tc (satisfied by electric field < 0.1 - 1 uV/cm or resistivity < ~10^-11 Ohm*cm)

  3. Phase change

While superconductor-insulator transitions have been observed, I’m not really familiar with them. Additionally, we don’t have good evidence that it is impossible to observe R=0 in LK-99, since at least some measurements show decreasing resistivity as a function of temperature. If we end up in a world where LK-99 convincingly displays a Meissner effect, but doesn’t show the expected resistivity behavior, I will solicit opinions from subject matter experts. After all, it would seem perverse to resolve NO if the majority of superconductivity experts think this is a YES.

Resolution Caveats:

I reserve the right to resolve to a probability if the experts I ask are split on the question of superconductivity.

I reserve the right to resolve according to whatever Wikipedia says about this material by Jan 1, 2025, especially if the experts I ask blow me off.

I reserve the right to revisit the resolution criteria if LK-99 or LK-99-like materials end up rewriting what we thought we knew about superconductivity. 

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Update 2023-07-27:

Pasting my comment on resolution criteria

We're clearly all here because a) it's fun, and b) we're interested in room temperature superconductivity, not whether some other experimental group gets the same kinda sus data as the original paper. So, when I write 'replicate' in the question I am specifically asking: is the room temperature, ambient pressure superconductivity of the compound LK-99 convincingly demonstrated?

Specifically, replications should convincingly demonstrate:

  1. Zero DC electrical resistivity (or something close enough if the measurement is AC).

  2. A phase change*, which is usually exhibited as a sharp discontinuity in the heat capacity.

  3. The Meissner effect (magnetic fields expelled).

If synthesizing the compound, there should be evidence that they did make something essentially the same as what is reported in the original paper.

2) has an asterisk because @BenjaminShindel suggests that a phase change might not be required for a quantum well superconductor. I think I see how this could be the case. Willing to adjust this criterion after receiving more info from relevant theorists/experimentalists.

I don't intend to require that replications be published in a peer-reviewed journal. The arXiv is sufficient for me. However, I do intend to wait a few weeks/months to resolve so that any pre-print can be adequately investigated for data manipulation, fraud, etc. In my utopia, labs that claim to have confirmed/disconfirmed this effect would also publish their raw data with their arXiv submissions, but I'm not holding my breath.

Since high Tc superconductivity is not my specific field of expertise, I'm willing to defer to a consensus of subject matter experts on whether a pre-print is convincing or not, and I am willing to contact some beyond the usual twitter personalities.

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Hennicious avatar
Henniciouspredicts YES

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EDIT: oops, accidentally hit enter here instead of the proper delusion box

jameso avatar
james opredicts YES

Looks like there was a lot of action while I was asleep

StrayClimb avatar
Calvinballpredicts NO

/StrayClimb/at-the-lk99-protest-at-1000-am-satu

I challenge both sides to show up to support their views at Manifest and have a civil discussion

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nmehndir avatar
Namanpredicts NO

@StrayClimb Can I get community service hours for interacting with people who still think LK-99 is legit?

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Calvinballpredicts NO

@nmehndir A protest will be an effective way to change minds, I'm sure =P

Helper avatar
Helper

Supposed evidence of zero resistance in LK-99 as measured by an ohmmeter:

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jameso avatar
james opredicts YES

@Helper who are they? how long until they get a proper measurement?

EvanDaniel avatar
Evan Danielpredicts NO

@Helper The lower limit on that meter is what, 0.1 Ohm on a good day with a careful setup? So they have a conductor, but it could be a really bad one...

jameso avatar
james opredicts YES

@EvanDaniel yes, it is safe to ignore until further information

Breadbrowser avatar
Breadpredicts NO

@Helper Dude just cope

A7om20 avatar
A7om.ethpredicts YES
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A7om20 avatar
A7om.ethpredicts YES

MaybeNotDepends avatar
MaybeNotDependspredicts NO

Polymarket odds: 3.6%

Hennicious avatar
Henniciouspredicts YES

@A7om20 I'll take it, I'll take it...

AdamTreat avatar
Adam Treatpredicts NO

@A7om20 Hmm, who knew Korea had such prodigious amounts of hopium??!!

Hennicious avatar
Henniciouspredicts YES

@AdamTreat Part of the reason is because there is this one retired professor from one of the best universities in Korea who posts daily on facebook that LK-99 is indeed a superconductor, and the Korean version of reddit keeps posting news about Chinese labs who are also supposedly agreeing.

nmehndir avatar
Namanpredicts NO

@Hennicious delusion

MartinRandall avatar
Martin Randallpredicts NO

@Hennicious If someone makes a Korean language version of this market it will be a great arbitrage opportunity.

Sanargama avatar
Sanargamabought Ṁ20 of NO

We keep coasting slowly downwards...

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jameso avatar
james opredicts YES

@Sanargama breakeven since Aug 29

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Sanargamapredicts NO

@jameso what does that mean?

jameso avatar
james opredicts YES

@Sanargama just assume its bullish for lk99, thats what I do when I dont understand something here