The idea that the United Nations will conduct a credible investigation is kinda laughable at this point.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1784735589364859140.html

@strutheo Yeah my credence is around 20% right now. It’s not as if the IDF doesn’t lie or have out of control soldiers sometimes, but there was clearly a game of telephone on the ground, and it reminds me of the initial Al-Ahli response lacking pictures. On the other hand, there’s a great deal of taboo around closely examining already defiled/bulldozed graves. But on the other other hand, if the plan is to rebury everyone with proper funeral rites eventually, then there should be an opportunity to confirm or deny things like tied hands, live burial, etc.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/25/world/middleeast/gaza-mass-grave-nasser-hospital.html

Videos shared on social media and verified by The New York Times show that two sites with multiple mass graves were dug at Nasser and bodies were buried starting in January.

Satellite imagery shows that the large mass grave first dug by Gazans underneath the palm trees in the southern part of the complex was disturbed by Israeli forces, including with a bulldozer, lending credence to the Israeli claim that they exhumed and reburied bodies.

There is no clear sign that Israeli troops dug new graves or added bodies to existing ones.

https://twitter.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1782360892249612466/photo/1

Conclusion: This is disinformation by Al Jazeera and others: This is a known graveyard/mass grave and at least partially dug by Palestinians.

This does not exclude that graves could have been added when the hospital was occupied by Israeli forces.

@SemioticRivalry Yup, this is why I mention the January burials for comparison!

I have boosted this, It’s a fantastic question!

Obviously the resolution will likely be messy, good luck lol - I have faith you will be as unbiased as possible 😄

The United States, unsurprisingly, opposes an independent investigation.

Does is matter if they were civilians or terrorists? Who will determine that?

Does it matter if the IDF or Palestinians buried them for the resolution ?

@RanaG Answered in new pin.

Is this asking if they massacred them deliberately, or that Palestinians buried civilians who were killed as collateral damage during airstrikes?

@AlexanderSharpe If the bodies buried by Palestinians in January constitute all of those in the mass graves, then this market will resolve No. I'll change the title back to "buried" since I wasn't sure which would make the spirit clearer re: the possibility of multiple burial stages by both parties. If the IDF added to the graves (ie. with those bodies found to have their hands tied) then it will resolve Yes. In either case, only an independent investigation will be sufficient to resolve.

I do not trust you to determine what is “confirmed”. You would resolve yes if Al Jazeera just mindlessly repeated this story.

@nathanwei ...What? That is not the resolution criteria. AJ has already repeated this story, as has CNN, the BBC, and many others. This market is about whether an independent investigation verifies it at a future date. Also, my other markets tend to not use Al Jazeera precisely because of this knee-jerk reaction from those with mainstream views on the conflict.

Unfortunately, it looks like there's no accounting for people who don't read the description.

@Panfilo Sure what if the independent investigation is by Al Jazeera or by the people who said Israel bombed the Baptist hospital?

@nathanwei I do not expect the UN to task Al Jazeera with the solitary task of investigating this. Is there any precident for that sort of action? Al-Ahli was ultimately investigated by Human Rights Watch. I am frankly not feeling that this is a respectful or fair line of criticism, and I resent people like @AVS and @RanaG liking this as if my record on the issue is bad. My first big market on Manifold was this:

@Panfilo Fair enough.