@pluffASMR I added a large limit order @38% if you want to get rid of the rest of your position

thank you, i really appreciate this ❤

i might take it just gonna think and research some more

i took it, just gonna ride the remaining 2k. thank you so much

NYT has made an article:

Telegram Founder Charged With Wide Range of Crimes in France

He was placed under judicial supervision and is not allowed to leave France. He also has to pay $5M EUR. Does that count as a "non-prison sentence" and a NO resolution? @McLovin

Doesn't the question end in 2027? He can still go to jail.

Thank you for your question, but, I mean, no, like, by “non-prison sentence” I meant that he might be convicted and ordered to, like, pay a huge fine, instead of serving time in prison. So far he was only released on bail of $5M, as I understand.

@adssx this market may resolve earlier even if the situation concludes in favor of Pavel Durov, only…it has to, like, actually conclude.

I mean, according to this paragraph:

Resolves No once the charges are dropped, or if there is a non-prison sentence, or if there is some other conclusion to all of this.

- essentially, there are at least two things that could happen:

a) All charges are dropped and Mr. Durov is again a totally free man.

b) He’s convicted, but ordered to pay a fine, or anything else but not an actual prison.

So far, I mean, his trial hasn’t even started…so, yeah, nothing to resolve so far, the way I see it.

Update:

“An investigating judge has ended Pavel Durov’s police custody and will have him brought to court for a first appearance and a possible indictment,” -Paris prosecutor’s office

From an [official Telegram announcement](https://t.me/telegram/329):

📱 Telegram abides by EU laws, including the Digital Services Act — its moderation is within industry standards and constantly improving.

🛩 Telegram's CEO Pavel Durov has nothing to hide and travels frequently in Europe.

🫤 It is absurd to claim that a platform or its owner are responsible for abuse of that platform.

🌐 Almost a billion users globally use Telegram as means of communication and as a source of vital information.

👍 We’re awaiting a prompt resolution of this situation. Telegram is with you all.

Why is this so high? Are there any precedents of something like that happening in France?

He'll most likely go to pre-trial detention. Hard to tell how long.

""Pavel Durov finira en détention provisoire, c'est certain", commente un enquêteur auprès de TF1/LCI. "Sur sa plateforme, il laissait se commettre un nombre incalculable de délits et de crimes pour lesquels il ne fait rien pour modérer ou coopérer", analyse une source proche du dossier.

Sa détention provisoire à l'issue de sa mise en examen ne fait en effet aucun doute. Pavel Durov, milliardaire, dispose de moyens conséquents pour prendre la fuite et ses garanties de représentation ne vont guère convaincre les juges." ( https://www.tf1info.fr/justice-faits-divers/info-tf1-lci-le-fondateur-et-pdg-de-la-messagerie-cryptee-telegram-interpelle-en-france-2316072.html )

INFO TF1/LCI - Le fondateur et PDG de la messagerie Telegram interpellé en France | TF1 INFO

[VIDÉO] ▶️ Selon nos informations, le fondateur et PDG de la messagerie sécurisée Telegram a été interpellé ce samedi soir à l'aéroport du Bourget. Pavel Durov, franco-russe de 39 ans, était accompagné de son garde du corps et d'une femme. - INFO TF1/LCI - Le fondateur et PDG de la messagerie Telegram interpellé en France (Police, justice et faits divers) - TF1 INFO

Because he’s bragged for years about refusing to help law enforcement in all cases, despite Telegram’s poor security meaning he has access to the information they need and their responsiveness to takedown requests meaning they have knowledge of the content, so he can argue neither ignorance nor infeasibility. He (or Telegram, at least) has specific knowledge of how they’re enabling child abusers and other criminals and refuses to cooperate with law enforcement, while being an EU citizen. That’s not a good way to stay out of prison.

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What if he goes to prison as pre-trial detention?

That won’t be enough for a Yes, has to be sentenced to prison and start actually serving his sentence.

…on second thought - well maybe if he spends some huge amount of time in such state? Like if he’s literally going to spend a year incarcerated awaiting his trial - well then I guess it will be a Yes resolution. I’m not sure how likely such turn of events is.

Pretrial détention (détention provisoire) is ordered by a judge in France (Juge des libertés et de la détention). It can last up to 4 years for crimes committed outside France. So I think pretrial detention should resolve YES.

Then what about house arrest?

No, a house arrest definitely won’t be a Yes. Maybe it might feel as prison to Mr. Durov…still won’t be a Yes resolution.

I sort of have a feeling that it’s time for me to sort of have the final word regarding the exact resolution conditions, for the sake of all the wonderful people here:

Pavel Durov has to be sentenced to no less than three months of actual prison (and start serving it), or has to spend 1.5 times as that (4.5 months) awaiting his trial in something generally resembling regular European/American prison, for this market to be resolved Yes. A sufficiently strong combination of both, or anything else resembling such incarceration, also will be a Yes.

Ok I hope that will do. I’ll probably update market’s description soon. Antoine thank you for asking for clarification.

It might be easier to just ask "Will Pavel Durov spend more than n months in a prison?" With n = 3? (regardless of whether this is pretrial detention or the result of a condamnation, it's also common in France to spend less time in prison than what was decided by the judge)

…would you mind if I create a market sort of like that (in addition to this one)? I mean it is a good idea.

Sure, feel free to do it!

Good piece arguing that Telegram is under Russian control:

https://texty.org.ua/articles/112347/eight-signsof-danger-telegram-one-russias-most-successful-projects/

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Funny