[ANNOUNCEMENT] Who will win the F2P tournament?
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Manifold Markets is going to be running a one-week f2p challenge where the Manifold Markets team compete with one another to see who can earn the most mana. Users are also welcome to play along!

Details

  1. To be eligible, you must make a new account containing “f2p” eg. SirSalty F2P. Use your main account (not a f2p one) to tag your f2p account as an answer in this market.

  2. The event begins NOW (used to be Friday 9th 08:00 PST but changed it to start now instead) and ends on Friday 16th 10:00 PST.

  3. The main winner is the individual with the highest Portfolio Value at the end of the event.

  4. At closing time users should screenshot their Portfolio value and post it as a comment to their answer.

Aims

  1. Understand how it feels to be limited to a small balance.

  2. Identify frustration that can accompany using the app to earn mana (which often doesn’t align with how you would want to use it to maximise fun/value).

  3. Learn the most effective ways to earn mana.

  4. Explore the social competitive/tournament potential of Manifold.

  5. Have fun!

Prizes

The top performers from the community will receive free Manifold Merch and a manalink.

The Manifold team member who performs the best receives:

  • Pride

  • A personal poem or song of praise from each losing Manifold team member to be recited during drop-in hours or all-hands standup.

  • Side prize: The person with the highest profit is exempt from writing a Haiku (assuming they aren’t the overall winner).

Rules

  1. The 500 manalink as part of the onboarding email flow may be used immediately to bring your starting balance up to M$1500.

  2. Mana cannot be added to your account through manalinks (except the initial one), purchases, or direct edits in firebase.

  3. Any mana received through tips cannot be used and must be discarded by donating it to charity. This is to prevent people from gaining an unfair advantage such as people users betting on who they think will win and then tipping them a ton of mana.

  4. Mana earned through referrals, unique trader bonuses, and betting/selling is allowed.

  5. Users may not bet on their f2p created markets with any of their other accounts.

  6. Users may not bet on a market with both their f2p account and their main account (otherwise mana could be transferred between accounts by doing this).

  7. Users may not use their main account to influence their F2P one in any way. This includes subsidising markets made by their f2p account, subsidising someone else's market and then switching account to bet on it, and betting on your main account markets with your F2P account.

  8. For Manifold team only: You cannot feature your own f2p markets

  9. For Manifold team only: You are strictly prohibited from creating markets, betting, tipping, and creating answers on any accounts besides your f2p one during the duration of the event. This is to partly avoid cheating, but mainly so you get to go through the new user experience of being limited to a certain amount of mana and how it forces you to interact with the site. You may still use your other accounts to comment and subside markets as long as they aren’t created by any f2p accounts.

There’s a cheating Twist!

On the final two days (so Wednesday 14th 09:00 PST onwards) cheating is encouraged. Any cheating before the final 2 days is not allowed and will result in immediate disqualification.

If someone correctly accuses you of cheating during the last 2 days you must discard double however much mana you earned from that specific cheat. The accuser must state with accuracy exactly how the offender cheated. Thorough evidence is not necessary if they can identify the cheat and outline the specifics of what they suspect. Cheats can be reported for up to 24 hours after the conclusion of the event (until Saturday 17th 09:00 PST).

For example, you could attempt to sneak yourself a manalink or try to sneak yourself some tips. Or create another new account to benefit from. But I assume people are going to be keeping an eye on the backend and amplitude to watch out for cheating so be careful! :P

Any form of cheating is allowed except the following:

  • Resolving markets incorrectly

Using admin privileges to cheat in ways regular users wouldn’t be able to (eg. directly editing your balance in firebase or featuring/delisting f2p markets).


Sep 9, 4:37am: Updated rules to change start date. Also changed rules so that f2p markets can be featured, you just can't feature your own.

Sep 9, 5:37am: Added rule 5. and 6. about betting with main account on f2p stuff.

Sep 9, 8:37pm: Added rule 7.

Sep 10, 12:11am: Fixed mis-type (screenshot of portfolio value, previously said investment value)

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BenjaminCosman avatar"Ben Cosman (f2p alt)" [@BenjaminCosmanc733]
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Xi Jinping
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BTEF2P
Sinclair avatar

@BTE
gets the money.
Burning Mani's free cash,
throwing fools in the trash.
You wish you were this known.
'cause this man is in the zone!

ManifoldMarkets avatar

Congratulations to @BTE for winning and to @StephenGrugett for doing the best on the Manifold team!

clarity avatar

99 measly profit :(

"Ben Cosman (f2p alt)" [@BenjaminCosmanc733]
BenjaminCosmanc733 avatar

Well that went poorly :)

SirSalty
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@SirSaltyF2P
MichaelWheatley avatar

@DavidChee Oops, I clicked on the icon not the link, and thought you had 30K in profits.

SirSalty
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@SirSaltyF2P
SirSaltyF2P avatar

@SirSaltyF2P welp, was really engaged at the start but kinda stopped trying once I got sick.

Xi Jinping
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BTEF2P
XiJinping avatar

@BTEF2P

is anyone close?

SneakySly avatar

Curious what the logic for the cheating portion was?

Xi Jinping
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BTEF2P
XiJinping avatar

@BTEF2P I propose the losers have to transfer all their mana to the winner.

MartinRandall avatar

Needs a rule on whether, at closing time, I can transfer my F2P mana to my main account.

BenjaminCosmanc733 avatar

@MartinRandall I think the rule should be that we can transfer at least everything that isn't our 'starting 1500', since that's all earned in ways that would just have been earned by the main account otherwise. (and saying we could transfer all would be a nice participation prize, hint hint @Manifold :) )

AustinF2P2 avatar

@BenjaminCosmanc733 I would endorse this rule too -- though judgements are up to @SirSalty ultimately!

XiJinping avatar

Just got my first F2P referral!!

Xi Jinping
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BTEF2P
XiJinping avatar
Accountdeletionrequested avatar

I bet that gains are likely to be dominated by "be active every day you peasant" bonus

XiJinping avatar

@M Indeed, $750 of unique peasants for me so far.

BenjaminCosmanc733 avatar

@ManifoldMarkets re "At closing time users should screenshot their investment value and post it as a comment to their answer.": perhaps use 'portfolio value' instead; otherwise there'll be a weird effect where we have to dump every cent into a market at the end for it to count

SirSaltyF2P avatar

@BenjaminCosmanc733 Oh I meant to write portfolio value but clearly that isn't what ended up being written down! Will update it, thanks for catching that.

ManifoldMarkets avatar

Just commenting here to draw people's attention to the updated rules (mostly outlining that people shouldn't being using their main accounts in any way to benefit their f2p ones)

XiJinping avatar

There should be one of these competitions every month! Nothing like starting fresh.

ManifoldMarkets avatar

@BTEF2P Glad you're enjoying! Sorry I keep having to add new rules in opposition to actions you are taking. I swear it's not rigged! Just want it to be fair and I did a poor job at making the initial ruleset as clear as possible ^^

BTE avatar

@ManifoldMarkets Your rules will not contain me, all your mana will be mine!!!

AustinF2P2 avatar

@SirSaltyF2P is clearly overvalued - Me and BTE are both at 2k already~

SirSaltyF2P avatar

@AustinF2P I'm also at 2.1k now!
Also I think my account is bugged though? My portfolio balance is just showing my balance and no counting my investment value for some reason

Sinclair Chen
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@clarity
SirSaltyF2P avatar

@clarity LOL based display name

Sinclair Chen
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@clarity
clarity avatar

@Sinclair once my brain is done charging its over for you hoes

Austin F2P2
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@AustinF2P
AustinF2P2 avatar

@BTE Huh, looks like a bug where updating the profile image doesn't actually change it in FR answers... ah well!

SirSalty
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@SirSaltyF2P
SirSaltyF2P avatar

@DavidChee this is gonna be a piece of cake

ManifoldMarkets avatar

Okay a couple of people already started creating markets using their F2P, I guess the rules saying how the events only starts tomorrow wasn't explicit enough that you should refrain from using f2p until the starting period.

In light of that I'm going to announce the competition as official being started and those that already began get a lucky headstart :P Good luck!

BTE avatar

@ManifoldMarkets Oh man, I got too excited. My bad. I had just gotten the notification that the Queen died as I created my account so I totally went on autopilot.

ManifoldMarkets avatar

@BTE LOL np I appreciate ur enthusiasm. Ian also began betting on his F2p a bit (the date was previously set to start earlier and I didn't communicate internally that I wasn't ready to being it yet).

Anyways, let the games begin!

XiJinping avatar

@ManifoldMarkets All of the Mana I had earned from unique trader bonuses and daily streaks disappeared. In fact I can't even see my markets anymore.

XiJinping avatar

@ManifoldMarkets I also seem to have been charged $100 for something, which is not correct. I only created 5 questions and haven't made any trades.

SirSaltyF2P avatar

@BTEF2P looks like you made 6 questions and miscounted. Besides the M$100 drop spent on creating a market seems like your portfolio value didn't drop from unique trader bonuses.

SirSaltyF2P avatar

@BTEF2P Can u send a screenshot of what you see that made you think something is wrong?

XiJinping avatar

@SirSaltyF2P Oh that is embarrassing. My bad...

XiJinping avatar

@SirSaltyF2P I tried to see my markets previously and the page was blank, but now it is clearly not. Haha.

SirSaltyF2P avatar

@BTEF2P hmm weird, wonder why that is. If it happens again or you can manage to replicate it let us know!

BTE avatar

I screwed up and got the first detail wrong by listing my f2p account here using my f2p account. Doh! Will I be disqualified??

SirSalty avatar

@BTE haha nah I thought it might happen. It should be okay. There's a bit of a "win more" aspect since now if u start doing well and people bet on u then u can sell your shares for profit but I don't think it's that significant and it's obvious who the f2p account belongs to since u used the same name.

Austin F2P2
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@AustinF2P
BTE avatar

@AustinF2P I want to tip this answer for the profile image!!

Xi Jinping
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BTEF2P
BTE avatar

@BTEF2P I always screw this up and forget the @.

Xi Jinping
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BTEF2P
XiJinping avatar

@Austin I almost tipped you instinctively after reading this!! Gonna need to retrain myself.

XiJinping avatar

Kudos on choosing the greatest week in the history of cable news for quickly resolving markets driven by the royal funeral. Coincidence?!?

Xi Jinping
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BTEF2P
Austin avatar


@SG I thought we had turned off the limit? In the meantime, I can send you a manalink for the other M$990

Xi Jinping
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BTEF2P
XiJinping avatar

@BTEF2P My account only has $10 to start. Did I screw something up? Kinda rushed through the onboarding...

wasabipesto avatar

Any form of cheating is allowed except the following:

  • Resolving markets incorrectly

I don't see "resolving markets incorrectly" prohibited by the base rules, is it illegal all of the time or just in the last two days? (Also I don't understand the purpose of the cheat period but if it's fun for everyone I don't think it'll be a problem.)

SirSalty avatar

@wasabipesto Yeah this is something I thought about a lot. The problem becomes though that the correct strategy is almost certainly to resolve a market to whatever is the minority position after betting on it yourself. But if everyone is anticipating that then no one is going to bet on f2p created markets. It becomes so disillusioned from the normal Manifold experience that it somewhat defeats the purpose.

Definitely something I'm not sure about and could be convinced to change that rule. I'm also open to being convinced that the cheat period shouldn't exist but I think it will be very fun.