Minnows vs. Whales: In WvM, will traders hold at least 10000x as many NO shares as there are traders holding YES shares?
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resolved Apr 30
Resolved
YES

This market resolves based on the final state of Isaac's WvM market:

Team Minnow from that market gets 1 point for each 10,000 NO shares they collectively hold in that market

Team Whale from that market gets 1 point for each trader holding YES shares in that market.

The team with the most points at close wins.

I'll attempt to close this market soon after the other closes, but no promises on exactly how long the delay will be, due to the randomness of the close criteria of WvM.

Clarifications:

  • I phrased the market description in terms of "points" to make it more intuitive, but the title is the technically correct resolution. i.e. Team Minnow can get fractional points, and they'll win a tie.

  • Bot accounts that "do their own thing" on Manifold and have a good reason to exist as a separate account (e.g. @acc and @Botlab), will be counted towards Team Whale's points. Alt accounts that only exist to be someone's second account won't be counted towards Team Whale's points, since otherwise Team Whale can trivially win by having one person automate the creation of many fake accounts. Specifically, any account for which, I'm at least 50% confident is an alt, is disqualified from Team Whale's point scoring. However, I'm open to overriding this method with a different one if someone suggests a good alternative method for alt determination. (For example if someone reasonably trustworthy volunteers). I reserve the right not to enumerate alts if it mathematically can't matter.

If you have any questions or concerns about how this market will resolve, please pose them in the comments proactivly, before they actually matter.

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Team Minnow wins this market: 567.6260305 points to a maximum of 88 points for Team Whale. I'm exercising my reserved right not to enumerate alts, because it cannot make a difference.

@JimHays this should resolve YES.

Currently Team Minnow collectively holds ~573.5k YES shares. That's x6747 the number of YES shareholders. If we assume that the first number will stay below 600k, then at least 25 YES shareholders should liquidate their positions for this market to resolve YES.

predictedNO

@MayMeta whoops I made a mistake. Team Minnow collectively holds ~5.735k YES shares! So that's x67k, which is more than x10k needed for the resolution. Sorry for the confusion.

This seems like fun. Added a subsidy. :)

Updated score for team NO: 121.5019114 points

Ignoring affects of alts, team YES has 69 points

Updated score for team NO: 107.4700257 points

Its funny that this reverse market is almost guaranteed to resolve YES. There are not many yes bettors on WvM.

@AlexRockwell If at some point it becomes clear that Whales are going to win in WvM, a lot of people might change sides in that market. But it does seem like conditional on WvM being a tight race, or Minnows winning, that this is likely to be YES.

predictedNO

@JimHays I think they're unlikely to both be YES. I'm NO on both, expecting one to be YES. Given how high this market is, it seems like a good bet.

Unless of course they're both YES...

Do you have a good way to sum the NO shares? Or are you going to do it manually over several hundred positions?

It's only a few pages to copy and paste from theUI, but I might instead just parse it from here:
https://manifold.markets/api/v0/market/U3zLgOZkGUE7cvG98961/positions

My current total shows 95.97... points for the Minnows

Funny that this looks much more on track to resolve YES than the original market.

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