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Needs to have a standalone app made for Vision Pro, either explicitly said to be so or obvious through its functionality.
I will try to check for evidence at release (first "standard consumers" get the product to take home), and either resolve YES or let people know and grant some time to assemble evidence before I resolve to NO.
Let me know if I need to further clarify somewhere.
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A lot of the apps announced as AVP apps were simply ported iPad apps, and not able to resolve YES for this market.
Sorry if some resolutions didn't go the way you hoped! I took a 2.2k mana hit on this market in total, so at least I hope nobody accuses me of being biased in resolutions ๐
Let me know if you can find proof of wrongfully resolved ones, but I really tried finding evidence for YES.
I am unsure how much more information we'll get over time, and I'd like to get people their money back with as few N/A resolutions as possible.
One way to go about it, is that I'll resolve a first batch of apps mentioned in this 9to5mac article as YES. Feel free to provide evidence for other apps you think should be resolved YES. In a week or so, I will try to do some light digging on my own and resolve to best judgment.
I won't open up the market again, but feel open to people trying to convince me in both YES and NO directions :) If you have disagreements with my suggested approach, please let me know <3
@HenriThunberg I plan to resolve TikTok as NO, as it was released Feb 15th rather than Feb 2nd. I.e., not ready at release.
@HenriThunberg It has to be Vision Pro native app, not iPad app, right?
One thing I noticed is that the Slack and Notion is pretty high here, but I didn't see a VisionPro version of their app. I think everyone is just running the iPad app.
@esusatyo Yeah so that's the kind of distinction I was trying to, but hard a time of, get at. Do you have a Vision Pro personally? I think in the absence of Vision Pro features (through articles, announcements, or the like), I'll resolve them both to NO. At a quick search, this seems likely to be the case.
@HenriThunberg I don't have a Vision Pro myself, but it looks like someone scraped the Vision App Store and put up this app. Trying it out right now, let me know if you need any clarifications. https://www.reddit.com/r/AppleVisionPro/comments/1ajnba2/i_have_created_an_app_that_shows_you_a_complete/
@esusatyo Please check something like the Manifold app, which according to App Store has a Vision Pro app, but I take for granted that it is only an iPad port. :))
@HenriThunberg Nevermind, the app is so buggy, I couldn't do a search haha. I found this spreadsheet instead which may or may not be a complete list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Kbkm_jPdgV2qwhoRFIufCass8u2k-h4Xxuj0r7tXYZo/edit#gid=0
@esusatyo Huh, funny. The 2k NBA 2K24 app seems to be an iPad port judging from this video, it is also not in the spreadsheet that you posted above. I might take a massive hit to my 99% predictions on this one ๐
I am honestly at a loss here. A quick search on Apple App Store gave me lots of apps that have Compatibility with visionOS 1.0, but I take that to include basically anyone who had their iPad app converted to visionOS by default (and as far as I understand this seems to be opt-out rather than in?). So I don't think this is a good tool for deciding to resolve YES.
Then there's this announcement from Apple, updated today, mentioning 600 new apps built for Apple Vision Pro. If we had this complete list, it seems like that could be great to go by. The phrasing "Thousands of popular productivity apps are also compatible with Vision Pro at launch: ..." indicates that the following apps listed in this market are not part of those 600 (Slack, Notion). The same goes for the following entertainment apps (ESPN). This reasoning would also support the decision that an App Store link with Vision Pro compatibility not being enough to resolve YES.
My suggestion at this point would probably be to have any app resolve to a YES only if there is some explicit mentioning in news, from consumers, Apple, or the company themselves, that they have custom made features for the Vision Pro.
At this point, I regret that I've traded in this market since resolution has become so difficult. In hindsight, I should have also closed the market before Feb 2nd to allow more fair reasoning. Any time I open the market back up would make this a speed race rather than a forecasting race, which I think is not in the spirit of the website or question. I would be fine with N/Aing all of it, or the apps where the iPad port compatibility has caused confusion. Would appreciate input on what's fair.
@HenriThunberg Sorry this is challenging. From my perspective, your resolution criteria is reasonable but difficult, and achievable by a matter of degree in some cases. I think itโs better to wait until you have good data than resolve promptly. And you donโt have to resolve all at once.
Already hereโs a better TechCrunch article:
https://techcrunch.com/2024/02/02/apple-vision-pro-here-are-the-first-apps-you-should-download/
Reading this article, I donโt think you are parsing the semantics of the announcement right by assuming compatible doesnโt mean made for. Slack is grouped with communication apps like Zoom because itโs built around use of an avatar.
Pretty straight-forward headline ๐ "HBO's Max Streaming Service to Natively Support Vision Pro at Launch" https://www.macrumors.com/2024/01/15/hbo-max-apple-vision-pro/
@probajoelistic yup, but hard to turn a profit on adding it when nobody bets no and we gulped up all of the YES shares between us โ ๏ธ
@HenriThunberg Yeah lol, I started to look for more apps and then realized the math doesnโt really work out ๐
@Nikos thanks for weighing in with useful content! Even windows with 3d content still seems to definitely pass the bar of being specifically made for Vision Pro.
If an app features the possibility of running multiple windows/instances of its iPhone app, I am probably prone to resolve YES.
In the end, looks likely that a small tweak to existing apps will be enough and what actually happens?
New gaming experiences: Players can access games on the App Store, including more than 250 titles on Apple Arcade. Hit games like NBA 2K24 Arcade Edition and Sonic Dream Team can be played on a screen as large as they want with incredible audio and support for popular game controllers.
NBA 2k24 is made by 2k
@mattyb shouldn't Visual Concepts be the company here? 2k seems to be a joint brand, comparable with EA Sports under Electronic Arts perhaps?
@mattyb Thanks for bringing that to my attention. I just didn't want anyone to go NO on such a technicality, when I was confused by the wiki page.
New gaming experiences: Players can access games on the App Store, including more than 250 titles on Apple Arcade. Hit games like NBA 2K24 Arcade Edition and Sonic Dream Team can be played on a screen as large as they want with incredible audio and support for popular game controllers.
Sonic Dream Team is made by Sega