What will the first Catholic pope after Francis call himself?
What will the first Catholic pope after Francis call himself?
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1.6kṀ3902
2040
41%
some other name
21%
John Paul III
15%
Francis II
10%
John XXIV
5%
Pius XIII
5%
Benedict XVII
1.5%
Paul VII
0.8%
the papacy will end after Francis
0.5%
Francis will still be the pope at the market closing time

Numbers are for illustration only -- if the next pope decides to skip a number or repeat a number for whatever reason, it will resolve as the same name anyway (e.g. "John XXIII" or "John XXV" or even "John MMXXIII" would still resolve as John XXIV). In the event that the Catholic Church starts allowing female priests, a female name with an obvious male equivalent in this list would resolve as it (e.g. "Paula" would resolve as Paul VII).

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My thesis:

Conditional on a tradcath pope, he may choose one of his tradcath predecessors, JPII or Benedict as a mission statement. Certainly not Francis.

Conditional on a progcath pope, he will probably not choose Francis, because that would be red meat to the tradcaths.

I don't have enough knowledge to get the "vibes" of the other names. So I choose "other". If we get a Jesuit again (I hope so!) then Ignatius or Xavier would be cool 🤣

1y

I was thinking of creating a market like this myself; but I'd have split "other" into a few distinct categories:

  • A new, never before used name (e.g. Anthony, Ignatius)

  • Peter II (this would be a big scandal, probably)

  • Linus II (Pope Linus was Peter's direct successor, so it'd probably still be scandalous)

  • the same name as one of those obscure Medieval popes (Gelasius, Zosymus, Hormisdas)

  • Some other "the second" or "the third" name

1y

@BrunoParga "Pope Jesus"

1y

@BrunoParga could make a market on the number on the Pope's name.

1y

@DanielFilan I think that's too tightly coupled with the name. I think they technically can pick the number they want (Pope Diabolus DCLXVI lol), but in practice I expect them to follow the existing numbering. So a 2 will most likely be Francis, 3 John Paul, 24 John and so on.

Now, maybe there could be a market on which century it was that the most recent pope chose that same name.

1y

@BrunoParga re: Peter II

1y

@BrunoParga the number will be DCLXVI all right but the name will be Nero Caesar

1y

@BrunoParga Sure - it just nicely collapses "brand new names" into one bucket, as well as "existing but obscure names".

@evergreenemily @OnixarLilen @Odoacre @DylanSlagh I've updated the description -- let me know if you think these two scenarios have a non-negligible probability so that you would have bet any differently if they had been mentioned in the description all along.

1y

@ArmandodiMatteo No change here! My only bet has been "no" on Pope Francis being alive in 2040.

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