removing this from the mod queue, ping me or mods again if you need anything - I think it can resolve though, without N/A!

i think its either 50 or na still, it was just a bad formulated question from the start

Since the ceremony:

Wikipedia changed it back to "the future capital of indonesia" (because no bill or presidential decree has been signed yet)

BBC changed their title from "new capital" to "planned new capital"

There is a bloomberg article that I can't access at all

Jakarta Post refers to it as the "future capital city"

Jakarta Globe refers to it as the "new capital"

on wiki it also says

On 17 August 2024, Indonesia officially celebrated its Independence Day for the first time in the unfinished future capital.[12]

i think theyre being a bit colloquial with the language, isnt it already the capital technically

well if it's a "future capital", that is an argument for "no"

because it means it's not yet the capital, no?

think it might be time to na @mods

i see arguments for both yes/no

and i dont think its even clear to indonesia right now

Why not just wait a couple of days for the dust to settle?

I strongly agree with waiting a couple days!

It's not clear to me why this is unclear. The only specification was about "inauguration," which was an important event planned for August 17th. That event did not happen. There are various other criteria that could have been used for what city is a country's capital, but those weren't the ones referred to here. The Special Region of Jakarta Act legally moved the capital on April 25th, which seems like the most natural other way this could have resolved, but I would contend that April 25th is not, in fact, August 17th.

idk if i agree with the characterization that the events were downgraded from 'inauguration' to something else. that doesnt seem clear to me. different places report it differently. it seems like the capital was already legally moved, and has slowly been moving offices over, and will keep doing that for the next decade or so. but idk if there will ever be a solid, single 'inauguration' point, if it hasnt happened already

maybe i should have said 'inauguration' but i said 'move' which is way more vague

@strutheo fair enough. I think there's a more particular sort of event, with its own pomp and circumstance, that constitutes an inauguration. This event just seemed like a normal Independence Day celebration.

Not resolving based on "inauguration" also seems reasonable though, since you said explicitly, "as i learn more about the move there may be additional clauses beyond just inauguration."

shrug

I don't see why this would N/A. The question is still quite applicable: Indonesia still exists and has a capital. The question is just what city was the capital on August 17th, whether the inauguration happened by then, and so on. Did the event happen? Waiting a little while for reporting delays and clarity about what actually happened seems entirely reasonable.

Here is a partial review of Indonesian press:

Jakarta Post refers to it as "the future capital". https://archive.is/T9dUL

Jakarta Globe refers to an "inaugural 79th Independence Day ceremony held in the new capital city of Nusantara", but none of the articles mention anything specific about new capital or any inauguration ceremony

Tempo.co refers to the "new capital of Nusantara", but again, no specifics. The Jokowi final address doesn't mention Nusantara at all. Also from Tempo about the ceremony:

The celebration of the 79th Indonesian Independence Day became a special moment because, for the first time, the Heirloom Red and White Flag was raised in the new capital city.

This year, the theme of the Indonesian Independence Day is "New Nusantara, Advanced Indonesia," which showed the momentum of Indonesia's transition in welcoming the new capital city and the transition of government.

Antara news: nothing specific about Nusantara.

Basically, as far as I understand it, they wanted to hold an inauguration ceremony, but since Nusantara is in a such embarrassing state, they just held an independence day celebration. Media refers to it both as the "new capital" and the "future capital", but mostly avoid the distinction. As far as I can tell, it is neither legally nor practically the new capital. The news mostly focus on what the president was wearing.

according to wiki

However, since the enaction of the Special Region of Jakarta Act, Jakarta lost its de jure status as capital of Indonesia,[2][3] and currently in transitional period to its relocation to Nusantara.[4]

On the page of the Act:
With the law's passing, Nusantara officially becomes Indonesia's new capital beginning on 25 April 2024, with Jakarta's status as "Special Capital Region" being revoked.[2][3] The law turned Jakarta into a "Special Region" for economic and trading purposes.[4]

still reading around. not sure how to resolve this. doesnt seem like theyre sure either.

Due to the law, Jakarta no longer served as the de jure Indonesian capital. Article 73 of the law stated that the capital remained in Jakarta de facto until Nusantara was properly established for administrative purposes.[1] The move to Nusantara is expected to occur by 16 August 2024.[12]

ok didnt help much

Maybe the pivotal thing would be - is a presidential decree required for the move?

So, the AP report is saying "The celebration was initially planned to inaugurate Nusantara as the country’s new capital, but with construction behind schedule it’s not clear when the transfer will take place."

An AFP-sourced report at www.news.com.au says "The AU $47-billion megaproject on Borneo island was expected to officially become Indonesia’s political capital on Saturday, but construction delays and funding problems forced President Joko Widodo to defer signing a presidential decree sealing the move."

And a Business Standard story says "Jokowi has indicated that Jakarta will still be the official capital when he leaves office in October."

ty for the research ill do some more tomorrow - i did see somewhere they are already doing some government functions there

bump

there is some confusion over what counts as 'moving' the capital - i am willing to count 'inauguration' as the start of the move, since it will be a long process

@strutheo as i learn more about the move there may be additional clauses beyond just inauguration

They held a cabinet meeting in Nusantara the other day.

Doesn't seem like they'll finish the airport in time.

https://www.thestar.com.my/aseanplus/aseanplus-news/2024/06/18/indonesian-govt-rushes-to-finish-new-airport-ahead-of-nusantara-launch

https://www.pwc.com/id/en/media-centre/infrastructure-news/july-2024/nusantara-airport-development-progress-reached-50-percent.html

Who knows though, they might inaugurate even if it isn't ready.

yeah i think that is what will happen, and ill count that if they inaugurate

Yeah, I think inauguration is a good criterion.

At the same time, it's kinda weird to inaugurate an entire city... Like, sure, with a building the inauguration is (supposedly) when it's ready to use. But a city already has people living, at least the ones who built it. And some buildings at least are already working.

Anyway, it's the symbolism that matters - but it's a bit of a weird one, is what I'm saying.