Resolves YES if at least one user managrams me at least 1500 mana in a single transaction before market close. Does not count if the managramed money was a previous loan repayment or a loan that I make. Managram will not be returned. I reserve the right to bet on this market. Market close date is fixed to 7/7 at 9 PM PDT but will resolve before that time if managram was received.
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@Stralor As @AndrewMaxwell said, doesn’t this violate the description? Shouldn’t qualify as a yes resolution.
“Does not count if the managramed money was a previous loan repayment or a loan that I make. Managram will not be returned.”
@LucasKlein 🤷 "managram will not be returned" is a bit of a promise rather than a resolution criterion imo. the weird part is it's supposed to protect traders and was kinda thrown out, but I shouldn't make a call here as I invested and am biased towards "eh let it be"
@Stralor I think it's implicitly a conditional. "Given that I am running this market with these parameters, what will be the outcome?" Since the parameters were changed, the market should resolve N/A.
I made some mana betting yes but this outcome feels wrong to me.
@traders ill give the next person that managrams me 1500 mana 1600 mana back immediately after market resolves
@ZandaZhu does this not violate the letter of "managrams will not be returned," or only the spirit? It feels like your ability to make mana off of these markets mostly depends on your ability to write rules with silly loopholes in them.
@AndrewMaxwell Yeah I feel like this also qualifies as a "loan" in the description and therefore shouldn't count (although I suppose the exact wording is a bit intentionally ambiguous about whether the direction of the loan matters, but still)
@OnlyBoot yeah I just looked. zanda has done an absurd amount of these. I'm not against them existing but I've unlisted this one and probably will do so for awhile if more pop up
@Stralor I will try to avoid making markets that get unlisted in the future. Is there a certain criteria that I will need to meet? You said that you're not against them existing but you still unlisted this market.
@ZandaZhu yeah I get unlisting is pretty brutal, but our controls are pretty mediocre; I can do that, force N/A, or shadow downrank, and I'd rather be straightforward with you and let it play out under your control.
my thinking is just that a few self-resolving markets in the feed from time to time are fine, but, except for only a couple creators who have been given permission to run a restricted amount of a specific format, any creator who churns out the majority of their markets as self-resolving needs to slow down. I expect newbies to make a couple to warm up, and veterans to do interesting takes or explore new territory every now and then, but anybody established (and in Masters!) probably ought to contribute a greater share of their markets to predictive endeavors to not flood the feed. personal goals markets that aren't self-resolving, niche topics, and expanding the question space around big topics are all more in the community spirit.
I do lament the creator economy though. almost nothing is worthwhile to make except short games like this and it sucks. I don't blame you for the incentives the site provides
fwiw I have spurts of this. weeding the garden, not focused on you. I'm unlisting most of other users' new self-resolves for a bit too to slow the momentum
@ZandaZhu only if they're self-resolving (e.g. "will I get 100 trades on my markets" or followers, etc.). if they're well documented, provable, or even objective they can be robust and serious markets
Resolves YES if at least one user managrams me at least 1500 mana in a single transaction before market close. Does not count if the managramed money was a previous loan repayment or a loan that I make. Managram will not be returned. I reserve the right to bet on this market. Market close date is fixed to 7/7 at 9 PM PDT but will resolve before that time if managram was received.
This managram clearly meets all the criteria stated.
Was from before market close.
Not a loan repayment.
Resolves YES. 😈
going off this precedent, the market only resolves YES if the resolution criteria for YES happened after market creation.
