Right approach to @bens puzzle (#2) / Collaboration space
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Resolved
YES
Cipher
Resolved
YES
Optical (as in round 1)
Resolved
YES
Wait for more hints (at least 150). Will not be an answer if less than 150 hints
Resolved
YES
Order in which hints are revealed matters
Resolved
YES
Ignore letter case
Resolved
YES
Hints should be broken into chunks of size 5 words
Resolved
YES
Each word provides exactly one data point toward the first step of the puzzle
Resolved
YES
A step of the puzzle involves looking for specific letters present or not present in each word
Resolved
YES
The first letter of the first step's result is S
Resolved
YES
Binary
Resolved
YES
Ben claims to have inserted at least one intentional misdirection
Resolved
YES
Some other symbols or signs than letters
Resolved
YES
The second letter of the first step is K
Resolved
YES
The third letter of the first step is L
Resolved
YES
The fourth letter of the first step is I
Resolved
YES
The final answer has a Wikipedia page
Resolved
YES
The ninth character spelled by the 5x5 bitmap is 8
Resolved
YES
SKL is Sumerian King List and ISIN is Isin
Resolved
N/A
Involve LLM capabilities to help with correlation search
Resolved
NO
Semantic

One of the functions of this market is to foster collaboration and collect information to solve /bens/will-manifold-solve-my-puzzle-round .

The market resolves to whichever option(s) best describes the correct path to a solution. I will exercise ample discretion in interpreting answers and how the solution is found, if it is. I will do my best to resolve options honestly, in consultation with the community if necessary. Multiple answers can resolve YES (total probabilities adding up to >100%).

I will trade in this market!!!

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  • Update 2025-12-28 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): The 'first step' refers to whatever helps unlock a separate rule or algorithm to unlock the solution itself (not the solution directly).

  • Update 2025-12-28 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): For options referencing "first step": if solution paths are truly parallel, then as long as one of the paths involves one of the first steps listed in an answer option, that option counts. The creator expects whoever solves the puzzle to explain their reasoning in a stepwise manner.

  • Update 2025-12-28 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): For the "Brute force" answer option: A critical mass of guessing is required for it to count as brute force. If "Brute force" resolves YES, then "luck" will also resolve YES (but not vice versa).

  • Update 2026-01-01 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): Regarding the "Binary" answer option: The creator considers the use of I and O in the puzzle to be binary in a basic sense (e.g., whether words contain I or O),

  • Update 2026-01-02 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): If the puzzle is not solved by the close date, some answer options might resolve N/A if it's unknown whether they would have been part of the correct solution path.

  • Update 2026-01-02 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): Regarding the answer option "Bet on NO. Do nothing --> win": This option resolves the same way as "the puzzle isn't solved", except it will resolve NO if no one who bets NO on the primary market makes any profit.

  • Update 2026-01-02 (PST) (AI summary of creator comment): Regarding the answer option "S is the first letter of the first step": If S is actually the first letter spelled on the grid (assuming it's not the number 5 or a snake symbol), the option will resolve YES. The same applies for other letter options - they resolve based on the order in which they appear on the grid, not the order they appear in the final word (even if the word needs to be reversed).

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@traders That was fun! I hope I’ve resolved all answers according to the spirit in which they were submitted. Let me know if you think I’ve erred anywhere.

My thoughts on this puzzle are

  • that it was not that complicated. Once we figured out the bitmap, with enough hints and guesses the answer was relatively easy to find;

  • that a space like this is tremendously helpful;

  • that there really is a major trade off between incentives to profit and incentives to solve; @Eliza got it right but it’s easy to get wrong;

  • however, the optimal price may not be that far below 50% (45-49%?) with enough collaboration and a bit of luck.

@NivlacM what do we think? The answer is not a step to the solution.

sold Ṁ209 NO

@Eliza Probably meets the required level? Not sure. Worth considering.

@Eliza definitely one misdirection was making all the words between 3 and 9 letters!

@bens *shakes fist* 😂

I have a theory. It is the king Rim-Sin I, and that is to be read in reverse as "In ISMIR" ISMIR being International Society for Music Information Retrieval, and the word lengths denote notes that can be found in their databases.

@JussiVilleHeiskanen Check the main market.

@MachiNi For whoever resolves this, FWIW we were doing a little bit of guessing but with an intentional plan and I don't think the number of guesses we made could ever qualify as brute force.

bought Ṁ0 YES

@Eliza agreed. Elegant force. Not brute.

The latest part of the 5x5 bitmap image after today's hints:

SKLISIN18?

The ? if it is another number can probably be:

2, 3, 5, 7, 8, 9

@Eliza Using the list from the Sumerian Kings List of Isin kings, the ones that reigned during a time in 18[235689]X BC (from Wikipedia I guess):

URNINURTA (1923-1896) (Guessed by Jack)

BURSUEN/BURSIN (1895-1875)

LIPITENLIL (1873-1869)

ENLILBANI (1860-1837)

ZAMBIYA (1836-1834)

ITERPISHA (1833-1831)

URDUKUGA (1830-1828)

SUENMAGIR/SINMAGIR (1827-1817)

Edit: Apparently there is some disagreement about the exact years for these as I look over multiple Wikipedia pages. Based on where they line up the BC timeline from.

So This could also include:

IDDINDAGAN
ISHMEDAGAN
LIPITESHTAR
LIPITISHTAR (Guessed by Eliza)

CODEOFLIPITESHTAR (Guessed by Eliza)

CODEOFLIPITISHTAR

@Eliza Can we guess all of these today?

@Eliza (Would this count as Brute Force if we have to guess 10 things and one of them is correct?)

I guessed CODE OF LIPIT ESHTAR just now, because I like how we have Lipid and Cod in our answer list, those are both very close. And TARtessos, roTARy. It looks like it is variously spelled Ishtar and Eshtar so maybe need to guess both variants.

@Eliza dang I went to bed too soon

soldṀ5 YES

@MachiNi We need to talk about this answer. Surely encoding a 5x5 grid of letters in binary form is a cipher? Why is this trading at 35%?

This is a form of e.g. this type of cipher.

@Eliza we do, that’s why I sold. Im not sure what the market is thinking.

bought Ṁ50 NO

@MachiNi You never know, maybe the whole thing is not on the path to solving the puzzle!

@Eliza It's too good to be wrong.

@MachiNi

Still to try:

HAMMURABICODE
LIPITESHTAR (as opposed to LIPITISHTAR)

CODEOFLIPITISHTAR
ISHBIERRA (1st King of Isin)
SHUILISHU (2nd King of Isin)

IDDINDAGAN (3rd King of Isin)

ISHMEDAGAN (4th King of Isin)

LIPITISHTAR (5th King of Isin)
URNINURTA (6th King of Isin)

BURSIN (7th King of Isin)
LIPITENLIL (8th King of Isin)
ERRAIMITTI (9th King of Isin)
ENLILBANI (10th King of Isin)

ZAMBIYA (11th King of Isin)
ITERPISHA (12th King of Isin)
URDUKUGA (13th King of Isin)
SINMAGIR / SUENMAGIR (14th King of Isin)
DAMIQILISHU (15th King of Isin)

SKL could also be the Seekriegsleitung, in which the numbers could be a year during one of the WWs (when it was active)

Anyone else giggling about having Vitamix and Oster both in here? They're two types of blenders. Do we need to anagram something? Vitamix was #98 and Oster was #237.

(This is a joke!)

I searched the Manifold contracts for any beginning with SKLISIN, no luck.

If it was a YouTube slug it would have been hard to get one with so many capitals. Also this would be an extremely underwhelming finish.

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