Pun aside, killing a killer is possibly a net good, if done humanely, and this killer in particular is about to kill a sentient being in an extremely cruel way

Even assuming everyone involved was only working minimum wage, that's easily on the order of magnitude of $10M wasted, and I think we already voted that a financial crime of that scale is worse than the typical financial crime

The GPT algorithms we have aren’t really designed to create mass destruction because they’re trained to reflect human ethics.

Even if we assume GPT5 could bypass ethics and maximize paperclips, it can’t acquire the physical capital to do so by itself.

@JonathanRay what does this even mean?

It’s a reference to the paperclip maximizer described here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrumental_convergence

Do bots holding shares count?

Yeah

Even though that's not at all reflective of true public sentiment?

@JonathanRay Adderall or 🔮

Adderall contains 0% meth (meth is like speed on steroids and speed is like adderall on steroids) and is not comparable at all when it comes to this market

https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/know-your-amphetamines

dextroamphetamine and methamphetamine have similar receptor binding affinities, but the latter crosses the blood-brain-barrier more easily so it probably has a better ratio of CNS effects to peripheral side effects. The previous sentence has been fact checked TRUE by GPT4. OTOH people who abuse meth use waaaaaay higher doses than a prescribed dose of adderall, and that's how they get into trouble.

see table of receptor binding affinities here: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Affinity-of-Stimulants-at-Monoamine-Transporters-NET-DAT-and-SERT-in-Ligand-Binding_tbl1_353929707

Lower numbers are stronger (really should be the using the inverse numbers). Anything above 20 is irrelevant

Well yeah my main point was that people doing meth (or speed) ain't doing 50mg of dex-lisdexamphetamine a day like an adderall dosage would be. If someone was giving desoxyn to kids I would not oppose that any more particularly than adderall

Like soupy sales ?

Like ABSCAM

@HoldingC Now that's an oddly specific hypothetical

@JonathanRay this is kind of what SBF did

@Mad underrated

so we agree that hiring illegal immigrants is ok (or at least, less bad than a financial crime)
and we agree that hiring a prostitute long term is ok (or at least, less bad than a financial crime)
so why would combining the two cross the threshold?

I think it's the slave part

It's the prostitute vs slave wording. Slave implies they are there against thier own will

i thought the hiring part implied the slave part is just larping

I used to work in finance regulations, and this would highly depends on intention, the amount of the money committed, the specific type, etc. Personally, I believe it would highly depend on what actual harm it caused for people - did it steal money from the people who otherwise would die, or did it steal money from people who are rich anyways? Without clarifications, seems to me we would just need to make a guess or research for the average case.

My feed as been nothing but new ideas today

@JonathanRay Indian factory workers earn $1.80 an hour. Adjusted by purchasing power parity, that's $6.11, which is not that much less than the US federal minimum wage of $7.25.

nice! I was just basing this on double the minimum wage which is ~$2/day