If no freedom of speech violates human rights, then Germany, Spain, Italy, and Iceland are all violators as well

@thepurplebull human rights cannot be exercised to violate other human rights (Universal Declaration, article 30).

@BrunoParga Not relevant here

@thepurplebull that is the entire point of that article, and of the concept behind it in human rights law. It is the acknowledgement that in some situations the exercise of one right might violate another, so the law and courts must establish some balance that gives the body of human rights its fullest possible expression.

I would argue that corporal punishment is less outrageous than one might think. If we are talking about something that would otherwise carry e.g. 6 months prison time, then ask yourself if you'd rather do the time or the corporal. If you answer "corporal", then it's hard to argue it's a human rights violation when the worse-to-you punishment is ok.

I've always thought we treat prison time far too lightly relative to other punishments.

@MattLashofSullivan I hear you, and I think this also greatly depends on the the actual prison one would be serving time in. The reference should be the most advanced countries like the Nordics, not the USA. And there's also the interest of society - in which of these options does the convict come out as a better person, caning or serving time?

@BrunoParga I agree those are the relevant questions, i just an not so sure of the answers.

@MattLashofSullivan i see, thank you.

For new I'm gonna keep the option up because AFAIK international human rights law considers that not to be okay, but it's an interesting question!

@BrunoParga yeah, thats fine. I think I maybe just disagree with international human rights law

Is this the thing where the privilege to put another car on the road is sold at auction? If so I'm strongly leaning towards N/A'ing it – it's not a human rights violation.