[Manifold Plays Chess 3] What will white play in move 2?
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resolved Mar 9
65%
Nf3
0.7%
d4
4%
Bc4
5%
Nc3
9%
f4
0.4%
Resign1
0.4%
Resign2
0.4%
Resign3
1.7%
Ke2

What will white (Manifold) play in move 2?

Check the game here: https://lichess.org/GF9YULQP
The game so far: 1.e4 e5

For each response, the average probability in the last four hours before close is measured. With 75% probability, two moves will be randomly drawn, with weight proportional to those market probabilities. With 25% probabilities, three moves will be randomly drawn in the same way. Then for each of the two or three candidate moves, a conditional market is created. The score of each move will be determined by the average probability in the last 4 hours. The move with higher score will be chosen (and the corresponding condditional market will resolve to the score one move later. The other market(s) will resolve N/A).

More details here: https://manifold.markets/harfe/will-white-win-in-manifold-plays-ch

The moves "Resign1", "Resign2", "Resign3" are legal moves.

Invalid moves or duplicate moves will be removed from consideration.

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Well, seems like some of you underestimated Bc4.

Please help manifold choose a next move: https://manifold.markets/harfe/manifold-plays-chess-3-move-3-what

The scary part for me was keeping Nf3 down:

Beat it by 0.17% thisclose 👌

Hey @Fion and @MartinRandall I had to defend our conditional all by myself (not huge capital here). Glad it worked, hopefully next time there’s more supportive team play.

@deagol sorry, busy day at work. I make no promises for the future but I'll see what I can do. ;)

@deagol also thanks! :D

@deagol alas, I only bet for Bc4 because I thought it would beat Ke2, so thank you for showing me what is possible. I'll pay more attention next time.

@harfe your random number is: 508246862

Salt: 3ZmA6YHNZWoSTvTkHZq2, round: 2762031 (signature b05160b812fc9504ac668289ee5b73731533f27eb50323aeec4758113d46bd2ec2bb37983cc3d06fd2453a124b6e2f6d1356f4beaac19a4cafb93e2552a161e02739258d0e23f5a618d73bcd08432f576539720cb6f5fa74e6ac505fd0d1843e)

sold Ṁ1 of f4

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looks like Nf4 and Bc4

@FairlyRandom 999999937

@harfe you asked for a random integer between 1 and 999999937, inclusive. Coming up shortly!

Source: GitHub, previous round: 2762029 (latest), offset: 2, selected round: 2762031, salt: 3ZmA6YHNZWoSTvTkHZq2.

Moves by average probability:

0.505407 Nf3

0.125788 f4

0.073342 Nc3

0.057878 Bc4

0.020348 Ke2

0.012238 Resign1

0.012149 Resign2

0.012060 Resign3

0.011444 d4

pick a number between 1 and 999999937 (inclusive)

Outcomes by integer range:

[ 1-257920041] Nf3, f4

[257920042-405014334] Nf3, Nc3

[405014335-520397133] Nf3, Bc4

[520397134-582580016] Nf3, f4, Nc3

[582580017-630265207] Nf3, f4, Bc4

[630265208-670272694] Nf3, Ke2

[670272695-694502026] Nf3, Nc3, Bc4

[694502027-718496799] Nf3, Resign1

[718496800-742316191] Nf3, Resign2

[742316192-765959326] Nf3, Resign3

[765959327-788775967] f4, Nc3

[788775968-811207805] Nf3, d4

[811207806-829040054] f4, Bc4

[829040055-844821126] Nf3, f4, Ke2

[844821127-854841809] Nc3, Bc4

[854841810-864223918] Nf3, f4, Resign1

[864223919-873536575] Nf3, f4, Resign2

[873536576-882779447] Nf3, f4, Resign3

[882779448-891543095] Nf3, f4, d4

[891543096-899498320] Nf3, Nc3, Ke2

[899498320-999999937] other

Hash of the complete table:

955f6aa8c060486bcda802339c6cf112ff98e1501b486f39076ca3d82746b439

Anyone worked out a formula for the probability of a move getting selected in terms of its last 4h avg probability p here? I feel I have a rough intuition but got lost in the weeds trying to model as a 2-3 trial multinomial, then realized must be a hypergeometric (trials are without replacement), then a non-central hypergeometric, so finally gave up on the precise derivation. I must be overcomplicating it, any thoughts?

@deagol I think the formula will be quite complicated, since it depends on probabilities of all other moves. If there is one big move (like here), the "smaller" moves have a better chance, by comparison.

@harfe yea I expected it to depend on the odds ratio, or something, at least just an approximation

I think we must bid up 2-3 good moves, focusing on just one leaves the other slots wide open for the bad moves to sneak in.

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f4

@deagol the old king’s gambit gets nasty real quick (minding the number of moves penalty)