Is it better for battery health to charge new M1 Macbooks via Magsafe rather than USB-C?
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I have a 16-inch Macbook Pro made in 2021. It has a Magsafe charger that charges extremely fast. You can also charge it with a phone charger with one of the USB-C ports, which takes forever. Is one or the other generally better for battery health?

(I'm actually biased towards the phone charger because (a) that way I can leave the Magsafe charger in my bag for when I travel and (b) the phone charger is so slow that it's easier to keep the battery mostly in the recommended 40-80% charge range. But this may be misguided!)

This resolves to YES if Apple has official guidance recommending using the Magsafe charger or someone who knows what they're talking about has an opinion.

PS: Turns out I really never need the Magsafe charger, even when traveling. I just charge it overnight with a phone charger, or use a phone charger while working and it keeps up well enough.

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I'd be surprised if there's any difference. Newer ones are supposed to have software managing the battery for you, such that they'll rate-limit the charging or stop charging at 80% if usage patterns indicate that will extend the battery life.

So regardless of the charging source, it shouldn't matter.

I'm not going to bother researching battery chemistry to get authoritative proof for 800 mana though...

@Mira Yeah i agree. Nothing so far seems convincing, yet the market is so low...

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Selling my shares here due to lack of progress on the question.

@Sjlver Do you know how you'd resolve it? I'm happy to add a bunch of liquidity or a bounty to incentivize more research till we're confident of the answer.

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A bit more research brought up this explanation:
https://www.dell.com/community/XPS/Will-charging-at-lower-wattage-increase-battery-lifespan/td-p/7579834

Conclusions are similar to before: while lower wattage is in principle good, the charging controller in the laptop will automatically adjust the wattage it gets from a powerful charger, so in practice powerful chargers do not pose a risk.

Other settings apparently have a larger effect on battery life. For example, you could limit the maximum charge to 80% to avoid the stressful high-voltage charge phase from 80 to 100%. For a MacBook, you can find this under System Settings > Battery > Optimize battery charging.

USB-C chargers can be anywhere from 15W to 100+W, and it's the wattage, not the connector, that matters.

A 15W phone charger supplies less than the peak power draw of a Mackbook Pro, which means that if you're using it while plugged in to a phone charger, it will alternate between charging and discharging based on processor activity. Whereas if you use it while plugged into a fast charger, it will fill the battery then leave it alone. (If you mostly use it in a fixed spot always plugged in, it will by default instead charge it to 80% and leave it there, to extend battery life. See the "Optimized battery charging" config setting in system preferences.)

@JamesBabcock This sounds helpful! But is switching between charging and discharging harmful? I hear about minimizing charge cycles but that doesn't seem to literally mean number of times it flips between charging/discharging but rather total amount of energy fed to the battery.

@dreev I'm not a battery chemist, but I think it's the amount recharged that causes wear, not the transition, so discharging 1% then recharging 1% would be 0.01 cycles. (The main caveat being that wear is worse at higher temperature, and a 0-to-100 charge produces a lot more heat than a 50-to-51 charge).

@JamesBabcock Hmm, this still leaves me confused about whether trickle-charging is bad.

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Daniel, did you find out more about this?
@Sjlver Alas, I'm still fairly in the dark. Like probably USB-C is no worse but no definitive answer. I just reopened the market.
Huge thanks to @Sjlver for the research so far! I'm especially confused by two conflicting bits of advice: (1) Don't use the computer while charging because the combination of high demand on the CPU and the charging makes the battery hot and heat is the worst thing for battery health, and (2) Use a high-watt charger so that spikes in power usage can be supplied by the charger directly rather than dipping into the battery. I guess there are different things that degrade the battery: 1. Heat 2. Charge cycles 3. Being full (And I believe "charge cycles" is really just total amount of energy fed to the battery, denominated by the battery's capacity. E.g., if you drain it to 50% and charge back to 100%, that's half a charge cycle, and if you drain to 99% and charge to 100% that's 1% of a charge cycle. Maybe with older batteries the raw number of cycles mattered but that doesn't seem to a concern nowadays.) So trickle-charging minimizes heat but fast-charging minimizes charge cycles? Which matters more?
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In that article, the concern was actually that *fast* charging would be *worse* for the battery. The article concludes that while low voltages are generally better for battery life, this doesn't matter because fast chargers slow down for the last 20% or so of capacity. Based on that, I conclude that MagSafe might be a little worse in theory, but in practice there are sufficient safeguards. The other part of the question is whether the laptop is being used while charging with a low-power charger. That might be slightly bad for battery, since the charging would effectively stop at high CPU load, when the CPU uses more energy than the charger provides, and resume at lower loads. This is explained under https://www.androidauthority.com/maximize-battery-life-882395/#:~:text=Parasitic%20loads%20are%20bad%20for%20batteries
Are you referring specifically to a low-power phone charger? There are USB-C chargers with 45 or more watts that would charge your Macbook as fast as the Magsafe one. It's not about the connector, more about how much power the charger supplies.
@Sjlver Yeah, this is a charger meant for a phone. It does charge the laptop, eventually.
I'm also curious about this - battery charging is a complete black box to me. Though I am a fan of USB c on everything - makes traveling much easier when my phone and kindle and laptop can all use a single cable.
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