🍞 Improve my bread? 🍞 [ADD OPTIONS]
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Sep 7
22%
Mix half sodium/potassium chloride
24%
Add 2g? of baking soda
42%
Add 50g vital wheat gluten
88%
Stretch-and-fold after mixing, 3x every 30 min
35%
Start at 500F, drop to 450F and uncover half way through
45%
Watch the video
78%
Use sourdough instead of yeast
55%
3 iterations of stretch-and-fold, at any time during the 14h waiting period. Minimum wait time between iterations 1 hour
47%
replace 10% of flour with farina bona
48%
Add 1tsp of diastatic malt powder per 3cps of flour
66%
Autolyse 20 minutes
51%
Let dough rise on counter only until double volume or 2h max, any time longer in fridge
50%
Ditch current process, do everything the same as the video
20%
Add a tablespoon of sugar
29%
Think positive thoughts before tasting
37%
Have someone sell the bread to you at an expensive price
16%
Play classical music while baking
18%
Make naan bread, an easy-to-make bread
34%
Add a pinch of sugar
60%
Bake on upside-down sheet pan, covered with Dutch oven

If the change is distinguishable AND is worse, resolves NO

If the change is distinguishable AND is better, resolves YES

If the change is not distinguishable AND does not greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves NO

If the change is not distinguishable AND does greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves YES

If I determine the change is too difficult (I have my own mill but sifting by hand could be maybe too tedious?, stuff like grow my own wheat), I am liable to resolve that option N/A

If I determine the change departs too far from the categories "bread" or "loaf of bread" (such as suggesting I make a bread bowl with split pea soupπŸ˜‹ or a BLT πŸ˜‹ or cinnamon rolls πŸ˜‹), resolves N/A

I will judge all changes on the criteria:

Crust, Crumb, Moisture, Taste

blinding or double blinding as needed, including tests to verify that the changes are distinguishable and not subject to order effects.

I may have others, as available, provide their input on these at a rate of 50% or less of my ratings for a weighted avg.

I will extend the overall market until some period x where noone's interested and I've iterated through the suggestions.

Base Recipe:

800 g All-Purpose Flour, Unbleached (King Arthur)

600 g Water, RO filtered (Waterdrop G2P600)

17 g Salt, Coarse (Morton Kosher)

4 g Yeast (Fleichmann's/ REDSTAR)

Heat water to 30Β±1 Β°C

Add 17Β±0.5 g salt and 4Β±0.3 g yeast to jug

Mix in 600Β±5 g water to yeast and salt jug (prevents salt & yeast clumps in dough)

Weigh out 800Β±5 g flour in big bowl

Mix jug into bowl until no dry flour

Wait 14Β±2 hrs, bowl covered on dinner table

Preheat oven to 465Β±15 Β°F with Lodge cast iron dutch ovens inside

Split dough and shape into rounds

Place rounds on parchment paper and cut design

Open dutch ovens and place loaves

Spritz 30Β±2 g water around each loaf

Bake 30Β±3 min, closing and placing dutch ovens in oven

Spritz 30Β±2 g water around each loaf

Bake 15Β±3 min, placing dutch ovens in oven without lid

Place loaves on cooling rack

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Use King Arthur Bread Flour instead of All-Purpose
Thought this was a good bet. Some of the taste testers said this was "saltier" but "denser" and the crumb wasn't as good.
Resolved

NO


Place small ice cubes between parchment and pot instead of water

Scratching my head on this one, maybe it was just a fluke of variation in the conditions/control but the shape, rise, moisture, and crumb were all better. Weighed the icecubes beforehand to make sure the water was equivalent. Tasted equivalent. Interested in retesting to see if this still holds.
Resolved
YES

Use tap water instead of fancy RO water
Taste testers could not distinguish it reliably from control. Congrats to @bens and his intuition that the tap water doesn't suck so bad where I live to make a difference. If this was the tap water in Austin this probably would have failed!
Resolved

YES

Cleaned up some of the meaningless markets

Do FOLDED

CANCEL

Quit Manifold into the bread.

CANCEL

Kill the bread into Manifold.

CANCEL

Bake the Manifold Crane into the Bread

CANCEL

Wear a suit while baking the cake.

CANCEL

@MarySmith tap water call was the easiest of my life. huge tap water w

@No_uh nailed it. Austin tap water was 😱 but the stuff here was indistinguishable for us, in the bread. What can I say πŸ™† I lost M on that, the ice cubes, or both πŸ˜‚

Can this be N/Ad or resolved? I still have 700 mana locked up here

@hruss Mary Smith's Wild Ride never resolves, sorry.
But there is a sell button you could use.

@BorisBartlog @hruss I will be starting up again soon, as I expressed in the prior message in these comments I have been doing 80-100 hr weeks for months for a training program for work away from home.

I am FINALLY done and excited to bake bread again.

🍞 Improve my bread? 🍞 [ADD OPTIONS]
If the change is distinguishable AND is worse, resolves NO If the change is distinguishable AND is better, resolves YES If the change is not distinguishable AND does not greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves NO If the change is not distinguishable AND does greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves YES If I determine the change is too difficult (I have my own mill but sifting by hand could be maybe too tedious?, stuff like grow my own wheat), I am liable to resolve that option N/A If I determine the change departs too far from the categories "bread" or "loaf of bread" (such as suggesting I make a bread bowl with split pea soupπŸ˜‹ or a BLT πŸ˜‹ or cinnamon rolls πŸ˜‹), resolves N/A I will judge all changes on the criteria: Crust, Crumb, Moisture, Taste blinding or double blinding as needed, including tests to verify that the changes are distinguishable and not subject to order effects. I may have others, as available, provide their input on these at a rate of 50% or less of my ratings for a weighted avg. I will extend the overall market until some period x where noone's interested and I've iterated through the suggestions. Base Recipe: 800 g All-Purpose Flour, Unbleached (King Arthur) 600 g Water, RO filtered (Waterdrop G2P600) 17 g Salt, Coarse (Morton Kosher) 4 g Yeast (Fleichmann's/ REDSTAR) Heat water to 30Β±1 Β°C Add 17Β±0.5 g salt and 4Β±0.3 g yeast to jug Mix in 600Β±5 g water to yeast and salt jug (prevents salt & yeast clumps in dough) Weigh out 800Β±5 g flour in big bowl Mix jug into bowl until no dry flour Wait 14Β±2 hrs, bowl covered on dinner table Preheat oven to 465Β±15 Β°F with Lodge cast iron dutch ovens inside Split dough and shape into rounds Place rounds on parchment paper and cut design Open dutch ovens and place loaves Spritz 30Β±2 g water around each loaf Bake 30Β±3 min, closing and placing dutch ovens in oven Spritz 30Β±2 g water around each loaf Bake 15Β±3 min, placing dutch ovens in oven without lid Place loaves on cooling rack I never really disliked AI until this bot. It's worse than bad autocorrect.

@evan I think you mean bread :)

@121 who knows πŸ˜‚

@traders We've been ripped off by this market for too long. Nothing has resolved yes and everything that would actually improve the bread is resolving no. So now I am introducing Improve my Chili, where nothing is too nonsensical to be resolved. Join the revolution!!

@realDonaldTrump I encourage you to make alternatives and I appreciate that it sucks to have to wait on me to resolve the markets by baking the bread and taste-testing.

Joke markets like "Force feed the POTUS" or "Quadruple Salt" only serve to waste my time to N/A or increase the likelihood I am incarcerated if taken seriously.

@MarySmith hey could you remove one of the tags so I can add this to a Manifold Cuisine tag along with the infamous soup, cake, and blood dish markets?

Hey @Robincvgr would you be willing to spare some extra blood? I have no clue what bloodbread would taste like but it sounds like the cuisine of a hypothetical demon civilisation, and red food colouring could make it look more the part too if blood would otherwise dry out to a boring unappetising brownish colour

are you still going

@hruss yes I have every intent on doing so, I've been doing a thing for work for 80-100 hrs a week...

@MarySmith I have 6 more weeks of this if I manage to make it through

bought αΉ€10 YES

What kind of easy bake kids oven did you use?

@hruss I resolved that N/A

@MarySmith that doesn’t answer the question

@hrusshruss ? I gave it the same treatment as many of the other options that were, well, in my appraisal joke markets meant to waste my time/effort and did not even have the potential of improving the bread.

@MarySmith 😒 it makes the bread safer

Would this get N/A'd?

St. Petersburg / Zeno's Recipe - After you've cooked the bread for its initial 30 minute segment and prepared it for its next baking segment, perform these instructions: Flip a coin. On heads, bake for half the amount of baking time as the last baking segment. If tails, stop baking. Repeat these instructions until you get a single tails.

There is an infinitessimally unlikely universe where I would curse you to an eternity of baking.

@Quroe what? if segments shorten exponentially, the supremum baking time you suggest is 1 hour

@AnT I would imagine there's some amount of time needed to get the bread out of the oven for the next coin flip, then putting it back in.

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