๐Ÿž Improve my bread? ๐Ÿž [ADD OPTIONS]
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91%
Don't eat anything for at least 48 hours before eating the bread
89%
Don't eat anything for at least 24 hours before eating the bread
84%
3 iterations of stretch-and-fold, at any time during the 14h waiting period. Minimum wait time between iterations 1 hour
83%
Improve the bread
80%
Stretch-and-fold after mixing, 3x every 30 min
79%
Use sourdough instead of yeast
76%
Autolyse 20 minutes
71%
Add poppy seeds
65%
Try baking a little more "bien cuit". If the image is indicative, your loaves may be quite "blonde".
65%
put butter into it
58%
Incorporate a whole grain flour (buckwheat for example)
56%
Make the bread taste good
55%
Invest in a "Bakers Steel" for better heat retention and oven spring. It would mean graduating from a dutch oven though.
55%
Use whole wheat to improve the nutrition of the bread
52%
Add a pinch of sugar
50%
Ditch current process, do everything the same as the video
47%
Start at 500F, drop to 450F and uncover half way through
47%
Do all the changes in the top 5 open options by probability, excluding this option
45%
Watch the video
43%
Replace some of the water with an egg (eg. remove 25g of water for a 50g egg)

If the change is distinguishable AND is worse, resolves NO

If the change is distinguishable AND is better, resolves YES

If the change is not distinguishable AND does not greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves NO

If the change is not distinguishable AND does greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves YES

If I determine the change is too difficult (I have my own mill but sifting by hand could be maybe too tedious?, stuff like grow my own wheat), I am liable to resolve that option N/A

If I determine the change departs too far from the categories "bread" or "loaf of bread" (such as suggesting I make a bread bowl with split pea soup๐Ÿ˜‹ or a BLT ๐Ÿ˜‹ or cinnamon rolls ๐Ÿ˜‹), resolves N/A

I will judge all changes on the criteria:

Crust, Crumb, Moisture, Taste

blinding or double blinding as needed, including tests to verify that the changes are distinguishable and not subject to order effects.

I may have others, as available, provide their input on these at a rate of 50% or less of my ratings for a weighted avg.

I will extend the overall market until some period x where noone's interested and I've iterated through the suggestions.

Base Recipe:

800 g All-Purpose Flour, Unbleached (King Arthur)

600 g Water, RO filtered (Waterdrop G2P600)

17 g Salt, Coarse (Morton Kosher)

4 g Yeast (Fleichmann's/ REDSTAR)

Heat water to 30ยฑ1 ยฐC

Add 17ยฑ0.5 g salt and 4ยฑ0.3 g yeast to jug

Mix in 600ยฑ5 g water to yeast and salt jug (prevents salt & yeast clumps in dough)

Weigh out 800ยฑ5 g flour in big bowl

Mix jug into bowl until no dry flour

Wait 14ยฑ2 hrs, bowl covered on dinner table

Preheat oven to 465ยฑ15 ยฐF with Lodge cast iron dutch ovens inside

Split dough and shape into rounds

Place rounds on parchment paper and cut design

Open dutch ovens and place loaves

Spritz 30ยฑ2 g water around each loaf

Bake 30ยฑ3 min, closing and placing dutch ovens in oven

Spritz 30ยฑ2 g water around each loaf

Bake 15ยฑ3 min, placing dutch ovens in oven without lid

Place loaves on cooling rack

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@traders I plan on resolving next:

Mix half sodium/potassium chloride

Add 2g? of baking soda

Add 50g vital wheat gluten

Some people say it makes for better pizza. Does this translate to bread?

@Quroe improving a quality other than time/cost

@MarySmith That's the goal, yes!

@traders For this next 5th of November, I plan on testing milk swap, 2hr rise, banana, etc

Add 50g sugar

Visually distinct, the taste was also different. Browned much more under the same conditions as the other loaves. Texture was also different. Was not preferred by taste testers.
Resolved
NO

Add an amount of MSG equivalent to half the current salt content

Very notable flavor. Not better for this bread, perhaps if this was a savory loaf with cheese chucks, italian herbs, and tomatoes ala Tuscan Herb-type loaf.
Resolved
NO


More steam! Either spritz with more water (preferably hot) or actually pour some boiling water in just before closing the lid.

Difference if there was one wasn't reliably perceptable. I used boiling water from the kettle. The bottom of the loaf seemed a little softer ๐Ÿคทโ€โ™€๏ธ
Resolved

NO


Donate the bread to a food pantry, homeless person, or someone else in need

I donated this to someone in need that I know. Yes I felt better about the bread and making it? This could have gone NO if I donated the loaf to a homeless person I don't know. I'm not sure that most charity isn't negative, unfortunately.

Resolved

YES


Invite your taste-testers to make the bread with you

Too similar to "power of friendship" market. Yes, having someone help me bake makes the bprocess faster/better.
Resolved
CANCEL


Add a tablespoon of sugar

Too similar to the other sugar market I resolved

Resolved

CANCEL


Replace salt with sugar

Too similar to the other sugar market I resolved, also HAVE YOU EVER BAKED BREAD WITHOUT SALT????? I have. ๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคข๐Ÿคฎ

Resolved

CANCEL


Make the bread great again

The people are saying "This is the greatest bread. We want your bread. I'm not saying, the people are telling me this."
Resolved
CANCEL

@MarySmith dare I ask, what IS saltless bread like? In which ways is the taste bad?

Also thanks for detailed feedback on the MSG idea :)

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Ok yeah I'm stupid and misunderstood, sorry

@FecalAbhuman Cool, posted comment above

@traders I plan on resolving MSG, boiling water steam, and 50g sugar in the next 48 hrs.

Given that "bake for 5 more minutes" resolved YES, we now know this market is di-stable on both 50% and 0%.

Bake on upside-down sheet pan, covered with Dutch oven

Burned the bottom ๐Ÿ˜…

Resolved

NO

Play classical music while baking

No discernible difference
Resolved

NO


Serve the bread hot

My taste-testers all disagree with me - apparently serving the bread hot greatly improved the bread.

Resolved

YES

Bake for 5 more minutes

Better crust without burning.
Resolved

YES

Bread flour, 3x yeast, cut rise to ~3h

No one including me was willing to say it was better or worse than control. It's different, had a worse crumb but it was softer/moister, had a slightly better crust given the same amount of bake time, had a better spring, different taste certainly. It has a different utility given the different elapsed time for the entire process. I think I prefer the taste of the control, but there's more than taste at play. Never really thought to partially resolve any of these. Will use this variation if I need bread same day perhaps...

Resolved

MKT 50%

Halve oven temperature

CANCEL

say 6 7 67 times before making the bread

CANCEL

Bake one fewer minute

CANCEL

Bake one more minute

CANCEL

5 parts cyanide/ 1 part water/ 1 part sand

CANCEL
Cut bread into โ‰ค0.4inch slices, toast before serving

CANCEL

Cut bread into loaves before serving

CANCEL

@MarySmith Oops, sorry to have lead you astray. Iโ€™m surprised our results are so different, you did use a cover between the loaf and the pan right? (Parchment, silicone etc). I donโ€™t really have a good guess as to what happened here, and am slightly baffled.

@GleamingRhino yep, parchment. my guess is that the full Lodge cast iron dutch oven does a better job at smoothing out the peaks and troughs of temperature than my oven, and the temp control loop in my oven swings enough to produce this result.

@traders I plan on resolving the 3x yeast 3hr rise, serve hot, maybe the sheet pan dutch oven ones in the next 72 hrs.

Judging by some of the options added, there's either a lot of bored people, or people that really don't like bread!

@hellog0L6 really? Banana bread?

@MarySmith In the end, do you plan to combine all YES resolutions into one unified recipe?

If you have no name for this bread planned yet, might I suggest "mana"?

@Quroe yes, to the extent that I can and they work together

bought แน€2 YES

@Quroe how about "breadiction market"

@TheAllMemeingEye I enjoy this.

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