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🍞 Improve my bread? 🍞 [ADD OPTIONS]
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αΉ€10kαΉ€44k
Apr 11
92%
Use sourdough instead of yeast
32%
replace 10% of flour with farina bona
28%
Have someone sell the bread to you at an expensive price
41%
Make all of the ingredients from scratch.
12%
Only buy ingredients from 7/11.
93%
Don't eat anything for at least 24 hours before eating the bread
82%
Don't eat anything for at least 48 hours before eating the bread
20%
Cook the bread with a rod/puck of aluminum foil (or similar) in the core in an attempt to conduct heat through the center of the bread, cooking it evenly like a doughnut.
40%
Buy bread from a michelin star restaurant.
75%
Do all the changes in the top 5 open options by probability, excluding this option
45%
Put a baking rack in the Dutch oven before putting the loaf in, raising the loaf off the floor and lofting it over a layer of air.
17%
Add as many Jack Daniel's whiskey barrel smoking chips as feasible to the Dutch oven before baking, physically separating them from the bread as necessary while baking.
60%
Give ChatGPT your current recipe as well your take on what optimal bread tastes like, then take that advice for your next bake
33%
Bake the bread into a fun shape, like a fish, or an octagon
51%
Invest in a "Bakers Steel" for better heat retention and oven spring. It would mean graduating from a dutch oven though.
72%
Try baking a little more "bien cuit". If the image is indicative, your loaves may be quite "blonde".
60%
Don't automatically "Heat water to 30Β±1 Β°C". Instead, aim for a desired dough temperature (DDT) of 25-26Β°C. 30Β°C water is too hot for summer, and potentially too cool for winter.
21%
Replace 600+/-5g water with 600+/-50g water (eyeball rather than carefully measure)
27%
A system view is more appropriate. This is a dynamic, multi-variate, biological and chemical system. For e.g. conditioning salt % AND yeast % AND water temperature based on ingredient and ambient temps.
33%
Replace 10% of flour with milled wheat bran

If the change is distinguishable AND is worse, resolves NO

If the change is distinguishable AND is better, resolves YES

If the change is not distinguishable AND does not greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves NO

If the change is not distinguishable AND does greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves YES

If I determine the change is too difficult (I have my own mill but sifting by hand could be maybe too tedious?, stuff like grow my own wheat), I am liable to resolve that option N/A

If I determine the change departs too far from the categories "bread" or "loaf of bread" (such as suggesting I make a bread bowl with split pea soupπŸ˜‹ or a BLT πŸ˜‹ or cinnamon rolls πŸ˜‹), resolves N/A

I will judge all changes on the criteria:

Crust, Crumb, Moisture, Taste

blinding or double blinding as needed, including tests to verify that the changes are distinguishable and not subject to order effects.

I may have others, as available, provide their input on these at a rate of 50% or less of my ratings for a weighted avg.

I will extend the overall market until some period x where noone's interested and I've iterated through the suggestions.

Base Recipe:

800 g All-Purpose Flour, Unbleached (King Arthur)

600 g Water, RO filtered (Waterdrop G2P600)

17 g Salt, Coarse (Morton Kosher)

4 g Yeast (Fleichmann's/ REDSTAR)

Heat water to 30Β±1 Β°C

Add 17Β±0.5 g salt and 4Β±0.3 g yeast to jug

Mix in 600Β±5 g water to yeast and salt jug (prevents salt & yeast clumps in dough)

Weigh out 800Β±5 g flour in big bowl

Mix jug into bowl until no dry flour

Wait 14Β±2 hrs, bowl covered on dinner table

Preheat oven to 465Β±15 Β°F with Lodge cast iron dutch ovens inside

Split dough and shape into rounds

Place rounds on parchment paper and cut design

Open dutch ovens and place loaves

Spritz 30Β±2 g water around each loaf

Bake 30Β±3 min, closing and placing dutch ovens in oven

Spritz 30Β±2 g water around each loaf

Bake 15Β±3 min, placing dutch ovens in oven without lid

Place loaves on cooling rack

I never really disliked AI until this bot. It's worse than bad autocorrect. Ignore anything the bot says ever.

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Use lemonade instead of water.

Bizarre loaf, I certainly didn't prefer the taste, but some taste testers did, absolutely beautiful crust bc of the sugar probably, crumb still very nice despite? because? the acidity of the lemons. Hard to say it was an improvement, but a good enough novelty loaf to have some other peculiar uses.

Resolved
MKT 50%


Only use tap water from specifically New York City

It was not distinguishable from control. Advertising the loaf had NYC water in it was largely perceived as negative or amusing but I heard another 2nd hand account of someone swearing by NYC water. Made a single loaf, and there's enough water to test it again.

Resolved

NO

Follow a recipe online

Cmon maaaaaan

Resolved
CANCEL

Put a non-lethal dose of any rat poison.

Approx 250 mcg cholecalciferol per loaf. No noticable difference in taste. Improved nutritional content non negligibly per slice.

Resolved

YES

Brush on an egg wash

Thought this would improve the crust kinda like challah, but unlike challah, there is no egg in the bread, and I figure that's what, in part. might make the difference here. No clear improvement.

Resolved

NO

Use Iodized salt

One tester could distinguish and preferred iodized. All others couldn't tell, so in the same contrarian way @bens predicted tap water would be just as good, iodized salt did not in fact create a flavor to make the bread worse, and in fact improved the nutritional content.

Resolved

YES

Want to improve the value of your bread? Simply bake a piece of gold into it

Baked a 1.69 g nugget of gold (est current value at >M40,000) into the loaf. Pictures below.
1. This was actually a detriment; multiple testers hallucinated biting into gold as an negative confabulation of their eating experience when they in fact did not.
2a. Subjective theory of value and praxeology would find that value is not in the object; it is in the valuer’s ranking. So baking gold into bread does not mechanically increase value.
2b. Also, does anyone rank the gold-bread bundle above the separate bread and gold? If no buyer does, the act destroyed exchange value. And I have reason to believe it did destroy exchange value to your average bread and gold buyer, if one is to appeal to the broadest possible market for the bread-gold bundle.

Resolved

NO

Use flour made from an unconventional grain e.g. barley, millet, oats, rye, sorghum, maize etc.

Straight sorghum loaf was bad. What the heck do people do with sorghum otherwise?

Resolved

NO

Slowly add sawdust to the bread until your friends start to notice.

No more sawdust. if 10% replacement is still noticable, we're going into marginal territory to figure out what's not noticable.

Resolved

CANCEL

Knead it only 10 times, keep it round like this number

Resolved

CANCEL

@MarySmith

Straight sorghum loaf was bad. What the heck do people do with sorghum otherwise?

Hmm, based on the Wikipedia article it seems the most well known types of bread using sorghum are jolada rotti from Karnataka in India and lahoh from East Africa and South Arabia, maybe there are specialized recipes specifically for those which produce better outputs?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolada_rotti

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lahoh

1.69g of gold β‰ˆ $250

@Iwerehuman uhm, what

My heart skipped a beat when I saw the notification for this one. I had a notable amount of pride on the line for a NO here.

@Quroe I'm a little surprised it was such a net negative. Thought it would be in the arguable category

@traders sorghum flour, gold, rat poison, egg wash and iodized salt will be resolved in the next 12 hrs. Hopefully lemonade and NYC water will be in the next 48.

opened a αΉ€10 NO at 40% order

If your bread is warm when you start, eating it slowly will not be an improvement

@GleamingRhino compelling reason for me to N/A this, given eat he bread while warm resolved YES

@Stralor

Some bread for your soup?

@evan 🀣cruelty

bought αΉ€10 NO

My "put oats on top" suggestion is being under-appreciated. It will easily meet the criteria of distinguishable and better, While taking almost no time.

The "better" criteria could be met on visuals alone. An oaty top crust is a highly appealing look, and as we know, taste is a multi-dimensional experience that transcends the tastebuds.

opened a αΉ€10 NO at 90% order

@rayman2000 Not sure this is so sensible Sourdough bread can be great, but making a great sourdough at home is IME hard.

@AIBear biiig disagree, I have been happily making sourdough bread that I am very happy with at home for years! There is a bit of a learning curve, but I found it to be fairly approachable overall.

I think the real problem is that it is hard to translate the recipe used in this market to an "equivalent" version using sourdough, because all of the timings get messed up with different fermantation...

@rayman2000 Mostly agree - you can make very good sourdough bread at home, though in our home we've never hit anything close to what you get from a really good (and expensive) bakery. And it takes time to hit stuff just right (+there's extra variation if you try to care for your own sourdough starter longterm vs. just getting a new starter from a good source frequently). But I presume creator is going to evaluate some of the early attempts and not wait too long.

@traders Thank you for your patience. I have secured water from new york and non-lethal rat poison (but I repeat myself πŸ˜‚). I have started calling 7/11s to find one that sells flour and yeast. I'll buy lemonade as well. I also have a new scale on order as the last one died that should be here midweek. I expect these markets to resolve in a weeks time or less. Thank you!

@MarySmith incredible commitment to science here

@MarySmith always appreciate the enormous effort you put into this

@MarySmith What.... non-lethal rat poison??? Something feels wrong here

bought αΉ€10 NO

@Qoiuoiuoiu I think the idea is non lethal to humans in small enough doses

bought αΉ€4 NO

who did this 😭

i have just learned what this means lmao

@CarlosVillanueva if I didn't know that cholecalciferol is used as rat poison, I think I would've N/A'd the market by now. Will announce how many IUs I intend on mixing in. Initial research suggests that the temp inside the loaves will not deteriorate the d3 so much that it will remain fortified.

bought αΉ€10 NO

@MarySmith Does that poison have a taste? I'm assuming that any non negligible amount of rat poison will taste bad or perhaps make one sick.

@Kraalnaxx just tried some that is suspended in oil in a capsule and it's really inoffensive. I don't know why people are so bent out of shape about cholecalciferol. I though there was a possibility that it would be too pungent or something but it's not. This market should be at 80% because of the increase in nutritional content.

@MarySmith I thought the improvement was based on β€œcrust, crumb, texture and taste” unless i’m misreading? Does nutritional value also count?

@kmajc Thank you for your comment. Yes those are the main criteria, but as I listed above it also includes "reduction of time or inputs" too, and the list isn't exhaustive. If I get inundated with marginal fortification options, I'll resolve them N/A. I appreciate the creativity of many of these options that can plausibly improve the bread. I've lost mana on many I didn't think were likely πŸ€·β€β™€οΈ but gained the knowledge that they are better options.

@MarySmith fair enough! Nutritional value does seem like a good criterion for bread quality

@kmajc Ah heck. I missed this part on nutrition, and lost some mana on rat poison and iodized salt. I should have read the comments.

@wolf Haha I too lost some mana because I failed to ask my clarifying question before betting on that option. You live and you learn