🍞 Improve my bread? 🍞 [ADD OPTIONS]
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87%
Stretch-and-fold after mixing, 3x every 30 min
86%
Just freeze the ready bread, then slowly bake it until it’s hot inside. It will give you a crustier crumb, contain less moisture, and taste better.
85%
Improve the bread
82%
Bake for 15 more minutes
79%
Use sourdough instead of yeast
78%
Don't eat anything for at least 24 hours before eating the bread
76%
Make the bread taste good
76%
Autolyse 20 minutes
76%
3 iterations of stretch-and-fold, at any time during the 14h waiting period. Minimum wait time between iterations 1 hour
73%
Do a second rise
71%
Don't eat anything for at least 48 hours before eating the bread
69%
Try baking a little more "bien cuit". If the image is indicative, your loaves may be quite "blonde".
69%
Sprinkle sesame seeds evenly over the top
65%
Give Gemini your current recipe as well your take on what optimal bread tastes like, then take that advice for your next bake
64%
replace 10% of flour with farina bona
63%
Sprinkle 3 grams of flaky sea salt on top of each loaf before the second bake
62%
Replace some of the water with an egg (eg. remove 25g of water for a 50g egg)
58%
Watch the video
58%
Use whole wheat to improve the nutrition of the bread
57%
Make banana bread

If the change is distinguishable AND is worse, resolves NO

If the change is distinguishable AND is better, resolves YES

If the change is not distinguishable AND does not greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves NO

If the change is not distinguishable AND does greatly (25%?ish) reduce time or inputs, resolves YES

If I determine the change is too difficult (I have my own mill but sifting by hand could be maybe too tedious?, stuff like grow my own wheat), I am liable to resolve that option N/A

If I determine the change departs too far from the categories "bread" or "loaf of bread" (such as suggesting I make a bread bowl with split pea soupπŸ˜‹ or a BLT πŸ˜‹ or cinnamon rolls πŸ˜‹), resolves N/A

I will judge all changes on the criteria:

Crust, Crumb, Moisture, Taste

blinding or double blinding as needed, including tests to verify that the changes are distinguishable and not subject to order effects.

I may have others, as available, provide their input on these at a rate of 50% or less of my ratings for a weighted avg.

I will extend the overall market until some period x where noone's interested and I've iterated through the suggestions.

Base Recipe:

800 g All-Purpose Flour, Unbleached (King Arthur)

600 g Water, RO filtered (Waterdrop G2P600)

17 g Salt, Coarse (Morton Kosher)

4 g Yeast (Fleichmann's/ REDSTAR)

Heat water to 30Β±1 Β°C

Add 17Β±0.5 g salt and 4Β±0.3 g yeast to jug

Mix in 600Β±5 g water to yeast and salt jug (prevents salt & yeast clumps in dough)

Weigh out 800Β±5 g flour in big bowl

Mix jug into bowl until no dry flour

Wait 14Β±2 hrs, bowl covered on dinner table

Preheat oven to 465Β±15 Β°F with Lodge cast iron dutch ovens inside

Split dough and shape into rounds

Place rounds on parchment paper and cut design

Open dutch ovens and place loaves

Spritz 30Β±2 g water around each loaf

Bake 30Β±3 min, closing and placing dutch ovens in oven

Spritz 30Β±2 g water around each loaf

Bake 15Β±3 min, placing dutch ovens in oven without lid

Place loaves on cooling rack

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@MarySmith It sounds like you can't view my comment due to it being a reply under a blocked user's comment. This was my clarifying question.

@Quroe based off the option creator's comment, I would shave off a fleck of gold from something or find some other, cheap way to include >0 g gold in the bread, and most crucially, tell each taste tester "this bread has gold in it" which I think is what will really do the heavy lifting.

If the testers express a preference for the bread with gold in it, I will add a distinguishing test where I give them 5 random samples from control and treatment to see if they can distinguish between the two better than random chance.

@MarySmith I am open to modifying this to be more in line with the option creator's expectations given they made the option, as long as it doesn't conflict with the other expectations outlined in the market description, manifold tos, my moral code, etc.

It's me against the world!

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@MarySmith I am open to the argument, if the originator puts it forth, that this should only be tested including the merits of the psychological effect of the knowing there is gold in the bread. In such a case, I would not bother with testing to see if the tasters can differentiate the two. One still could by randomizing both treatments e.g. randomizing telling the tasters there is gold and randomizing whether they are given the piece with gold to eat. I'm not sure if I'm comfortable testing both at the same time, I'd have to look into it.

@MarySmith Note that, if you've blocked them, they cannot even comment on this market. Would you like me to make an unlisted post page for them to reply on? I feel like I would have an undue amount of power by being their counterparty and their filter, but I could relay their responses to you if they seem like they're in good faith.

For the gold bread market I created, the conditions are broad: any amount of gold added to the bread increases its perceived value.

Even lightly spraying a little gold dust on top of the baked loaf for color would qualify, as long as people know it’s there.

I also believe that the mild conductivity of gold might even make the bread taste better. I believe it's enough, can't post here - Mary banned me (edited)

If people prefer bread with even a small amount of gold over bread without, the answer to the question becomes a clear YES.

@MarySmith Any additional information you could add as to the specifics of your interpretation of this methodology would be helpful for the purposes of market calibration.

@MyDreamIsHere2018 I've created a space for you to discuss the "piece of gold" market answer, since I don't think you can comment here anymore.

Golden Bread - Discussion Thread

I N/A'd a bunch more either because they were duplicates, trolling/meaningless, not coherent enough, just enrichment, not something I was going to even attempt to resolve, etc afaict. I'd rather traders have their capital sooner than later. I've also now resorted blocking MANY suspiciously new accounts making/betting on these as I figure the nonsense markets could be used to farm bonuses... (knowing they will be N/A'd)

Sell your bread at an auction and donate the money to those in immigration detention prisons.

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Cut into the dough right before baking looks destructive to improve the appearance

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Do it with a good spirit in your heart, or ask someone with a good spirit to do it for you. But don’t watch while they do it.

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Short advice: Start baking at 260°C for strong rise, then reduce to 230°C and uncover halfway to achieve even browning and a crisp crust. 🍞

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If your city uses artesian water, replace plastic bottled water with tap water. It will add natural, healthy alkalinity to your bread.

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Tarriff the bread-making process with a 10% reduction of all ingredients where actual physical money is required to purchase them, until it β€œshrinkflates,” but try to keep the same volume. Do not reduce any free ingredients.

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Use a food-grade, human-approved vitamin D supplement in the correct dosage for testers with vitamin D deficiency

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Don’t use usual water (room temperature) for the dough - that water’s only for toilets. Use electrolyte drinks instead with ice cubes; they make the dough taste better and add extra nutrition.

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Get your friends to help you make a batch ten times the size, but add a Pepper X (2.7M Scoville heat units) to the mixture

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Ask yourself if bread is healthier than fruits? No need to improve my bread

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Ship a piece of the bread to a random person.

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Instead of RO water, use lightly rusty water to improve the nutritional value of the bread with soluble iron.

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@MarySmith For what it's worth, I believe new trader bonuses evaporate if a market is N/A'd.

@MarySmith the new market weekly bonus doesn't afaik.

@hruss Oh, now this could be interesting. Pure caffeine? Or something caffeine is present in?

@hruss In other words, I will trade on it if you can be more specific with the directions here.

@Quroe coffee seems to be the way most online recipes use

@hruss Would sprinkling coffee grounds on top of a loaf be sufficient to test this market?

@Quroe I doubt that would add enough to have a noticeable effect.

@hruss How do you imagine the bread would look in the end?

@Quroe yummy

@hruss Okay, yes, sure. Haha! But what kind of bread would I be betting on here? Am I betting on bread with coffee grounds infused in the dough? Or are we using coffee instead of water? Or something else currently beyond my imagination?

@Quroe i think the optimal would be something like pure (?) caffeine added to the bread in an amount that is enough for the testers to notice the difference clearly. However, something like replacing some or all of the water with cool, brewed coffee, or adding instant coffee could also work. Ultimately, the point is the caffeine, not the coffee flavor.

bought αΉ€2 NO

@hruss Alright! I can work with that!

Poppyseed (in loaf) did poorly overall, one liked it but not more than control.

Sawdust loaf ala @atmidnight was a NO I regrettably lost mana on, although one taste tester preferred it to control ??????? And one who was really into the idea liked the idea but couldn't distinguish better than random chance which was which. All others did not prefer it and all others who consented to testing to distinguish it could, better than chance. I sure didn't prefer it. Maybe if there was a way of making the sawdust finer, and less. I will not test this option again, too annoying.

Diastatic malt was another mana loser for me, I didn't think it would do much but it improved the crumb.

Butter (in loaf) was a huge hit, but I actually didn't prefer it myself. Still, by weighted avg, I was outdone.

50% wheat (which was fresh ground in my mill from local warthog, hard red winter wheat berries) was nice and I liked it for whole wheat bread, but none of the taste testers preferred it to control. One of them mistook it for the sawdust loaf lol

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