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Will this market get between 35 and 55 traders?
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resolved Mar 5
Resolved
NO

Resolves yes if this market has between 35 and 55 traders at market close. (Inclusive)

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This is what happened from my perspective, I was holding off doing a writeup on this for my own market: Will I do something interesting this week according to me

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I kinda pump and dumped Will this market get between 35 and 55 traders? twice, tried to extort Plant, and lied to Bayesian.

I had been following this market for a couple days before trading or sending any messages to attract traders, and jumped in on the Manifold discord when the time is right. (I forgot to screenshot my message in #market-misc so here is my best recreation from memory)

closes in 5 hours, needs 9 more people, seem really likely to resolve YES given that I am promoting it here, since this channel/timezone seem like the perfect amount of eyes

Before sending this message, I bought the market up from 15% to 51%. The message pushed the prob up to 98% and I managed to dump most of it at 95% to Plant.

After noticing that Plant has most of the YES shares and now has a strong incentive to make the market has less activity, I tried to extort them and asked for mana in exchange for deleting my message on discord. (At the end they didn't reply, probably busy)

At this point, there are only two people replied to my message on discord, Bayesian and Plant, because Plant isn't replying, I thought I can make my extortion more appealing and I messaged Bayesian, I pretended that it is a simple cooperation scheme and told him that we should delete our messages at the same time.

While I am doing lawful shenanigans, someone has been creating alt accounts and buying NO on them, so it quickly became obvious that the market will go above 55 traders and I gave up on the extortion.

At 51 traders, I noticed that the market description is only 'Resolves yes if this market has between 35 and 55 traders at market close. (Inclusive) [...]" and didn't actually say when the market will close, there is nothing stoping the creator manually closing it early.

I bought a bit of YES shares and wrote

Wouldnt it be extremely funny if you manually close the market now and resolve YES

I figured there is a non-zero chance I can convince him to do this, since he is a bit frustrated with the alt accounts and said "I will ask moderators to investigate all new accounts trading on this market and I hope they ban you if you are breaking the rules".

He didn't, but others also thought it is possible that he would, so I managed to pump the market from 1% up to 8% and profited slightly (should have bought more shares)

@Jack1 now you know what I did

reposted

I totally foresaw all of this...

I may have committed a couple financial crimes including pump and dump in the manifold discord (which I have since deleted) but for the record I have no relationship with the alts

opened a Ṁ2 YES at 1.0% order

@SavioMak Posting in Discord is no problem. Not a crime at all.

@Jack1 you don't know what I did

bought Ṁ2 YES

done

opened a Ṁ100 NO at 25% order

this is intense actually

filled a Ṁ1 YES at 12% order

ALL USERS: PLEASE READ THIS BEFORE YOU TRADE

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one more

@Dawid two, actually

@Cactus oh, right

reposted

Only 4 more and it resolves no

sold Ṁ131 YES

Someone just manipulated the market

I'm not sure what kind of result was expected here, but we certainly arrived somewhere.

Oh. I know how to iterate on this idea. I know what kind of market I'm making this week.

@Quroe I'm just happy I realized my mistake instantly and got out with only ~M100 loss

bought Ṁ5 YES

Wouldnt it be extremely funny if you manually close the market now and resolve YES

@SavioMak Joking btw

sold Ṁ262 NO

@SavioMak brooo

I will ask moderators to investigate all new accounts trading on this market and I hope they ban you if you are breaking the rules

bought Ṁ100 NO

@Jack1 just got this app y’all are mad dramatic for a meme bet

@Jack1 How would you resolve though, still go with the number right?

bought Ṁ50 YES

@AmeerK no cap

bought Ṁ50 NO

@AmeerK it’s not in the spirit of the site and is not fair to other users

@SavioMak yes I will go with the number as that is what most people will be trading on and I dont expect people to investigate users before placing a bet. Thanks

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