Will I get feedback from Manifold users that leads me to notably change my interpersonal behavior on here?
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Several Manifold users seem to have taken a dislike to me. This is still something I'd rather avoid if possible, and based on past experience I suspect that some of it may come from how I talk rather than other things like me being willing to make controversial markets.

Any ideas for what I might be doing that frustrates them?

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@IsaacKing would you say you have so far?

I feel like I have noticed some change pre -> post WvM, but I'm not sure I'd say that was a specific users feedback necessarily.

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@RobertCousineau I don't think it has, I'm still somewhat abrasive. What changes have you noticed?

@IsaacKing generally, I see less troll-y markets and market resolutions, less activity in whale bait, and more focus on 'serious' things (e.g. more activity about AI safety as a percentage of total activity). I'm not high confidence on that though (entirely vibes; I have not looked for evidence one way or the other).

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@RobertCousineau Oh, I think that's true, but I wouldn't really count that as "interpersonal behavior". And it didn't stem from direct feedback, it was more of a personal choice. Though it was certainly informed by other people.)

"Any ideas for what I might be doing that frustrates them?" Your demeanor is too cold and calculating, you need to act more cute and vibrant. Perhaps you should consider a persona change, may I suggest "Isabel Queen"?

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@levifinkelstein How has that been working out for you so far?

@IsaacKing Works great! 😊

@IsaacKing you're not gonna use this info to bet in any markets right? 🥺

@levifinkelstein You are not one to give advice on this topic.

Perhaps they feel betrayed because they expected you to dislike making them regret having dealt with you? Your profile could describe what you consider fun about literal agreements; you might derive fun yourself from your behaviorial change by using the avatar and manner of speaking of a devil.

@Gurkenglas I'm not sure who "they" refers to, but in general I do dislike it when people dislike me. But if I let that dictate my behavior, I make it extremely easy for people to extort me into specific courses of action simply by threatening to dislike me if I don't do it.

I'm not sure how to interpret your last sentence, sorry.

@IsaacKing "They" refers to the last sentence of this market's description. I don't think they made themselves feel betrayed in order to extort you.

My last sentence suggests ways to make yourself more predictable.

@Gurkenglas @IsaacKing This is one of the things i really like using GPT-4 at. Often we mean something and write down our interpretation of the thing instead of the thing itself, which obfuscates the real thing to the other person.

@Gurkenglas do you think gpt-4 did a decent job here?

@firstuserhere That is pretty what I was trying to get through to you, yes. Except that it's supposed to signal not "not meant to be taken too seriously" but "I'm here to take everyone's shirt.".

s/pretty what/pretty much what/

@Gurkenglas Your discussion was with Isaac, not me, I just jumped in at the previous message so i think you meant you were tying to convey to him, not me

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I'm still lost. What's the relevance of literal agreements?

As for my mention of extortion, I don't think it's conscious, no. But people respond to incentives. When outrage gets people what they want, they have no reason to try to control their emotions better in the future.

Are you actively looking for feedback? If so: where and how would you like to receive this feedback if I want to maximize the chances of this market resolving yes?

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@AlexbGoode Uh, here and now I guess? Or on Discord, or whenever. Doesn't really matter to me.

I'm not a particularly private person, if that's what you're asking. I don't mind having personal discussions in public.

The fact that you've bet no on your own subjective market about accepting feedback doesn't scream open to feedback lol

i like u

Not immediately but the openness implies willingness to engage in dialogue

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