Vermin Supreme

I hate both but I'm picking Trump because he'll make America collapse the fastest

Yikes, I don't think you're supposed to say that part out loud.

Why do you want America to collapse? Do you want China to dominate the planet instead?

What is neither, Alex

Trump didn’t provoke any wars. Biden did two.

@CharlieBauer actually Putin invaded Ukraine, please don't victim blame or be a raging dumbass here

The US abandoned the Minsk II peace treaty, said that Ukraine would join NATO, installed 12 CIA bases on the Russian border, and rejected the Istanbul peace offer

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html

@Lorelai Putin invaded Ukraine because he correctly judged Biden to be a weak, predictable president

@AlQuinn actually this is the only way in which Bauer statement is true. Putin sees Biden as a pushover.

@CharlieBauer Christ, we have a russian/grayzone-reading propagandist on the platform. @Gabrielle, can we stop disinformation on here at all? There's no point arguing against these people but:

Ukraine gets to decide which international bodies it belongs to and NATO has actively trying to prevent Ukraine's acession

Russia didn't honour Minsk accords, that's why they were abandoned.

Just a PS, remember when Russia shot a passenger plane out of the sky in eastern Ukraine, leading to nearly 300 civilian deaths?

@Lorelai which is my point exactly. Biden is the worst option among most of the Democrats. I wished it had been Hilary, since Putin would have respected her; Biden is pathetic

@AlQuinn Still, Dems are merely overly cautious. Stupid as opposed to evil. Republicans are actively trying to help Putin so Dems still the better option

My conclusion might be misinformation but the four facts I said - the NYT is the source on CIA in Ukraine and here’s VP Harris pre-war quote:

“I appreciate and admire President Zelenskyy’s desire to join NATO”

https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/speeches-remarks/2022/02/20/remarks-by-vice-president-harris-in-press-gaggle-2/

@AlQuinn Trump withheld aid from Ukraine for personnel reasons. Why do you think Putin would expect Trump to help Ukraine at all I'm am invasion? I'd expected Trump to cheer on Putin's invasion if he had still been in office.

@Enlil I think Trump's reaction would have been much harder to calculate, and may have dissuaded

@AlQuinn I generally agree that this is an advantage in military standoffs. In this particular example I vehemently disagree though. Trump clearly loves Putin and is subservient to him.

@Enlil "Trump clearly loves Putin and is subservient to him" this is a TDS take; Trump loves Trump and no one else.

@CharlieBauer nope, your words mean nothing. Get off this platform.

@AlQuinn Putin didn’t invade Ukraine under Trump because Trump was going around undermining our alliance; he didn’t need to invade because Trump was doing it for him for free. I disagree with @Enlil though. I don’t believe Trump is subservient to Putin; I think he just genuinely doesn’t care about foreign policy and will say or do whatever he thinks separates him from the establishment so he can pander to his base.

@CharlieBauer If there is one good thing that Tucker Carlson has ever done is his interview with Putin, because while it wasn't his intention it showed really well what is the actual reason for Russian invasion of Ukraine. You remember how everyone laughed that Putin gave Carlson a lengthy history lecture? Yeah, that is because the primary reason for the invasion is the idea of triune nationalism, i.e an irredentist belief that Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are all parts of a larger all-Russian nation, hence Ukraine is not it's own country, but a renegade region that needs to be brought back to the fold.

Yes, there were calls for Ukraine to be admitted to NATO, but there was no serious commitment to it (especially since Ukraine had unresolved territorial conflict with Russia), the sanctions for Crimea were half-hearted, the Nord Stream was still being under construction, Russia organized the World Cup and it was basically business-as-usual. If Russia was truly about preventing Ukraine from joining NATO (which is also questionable, why should Russia have a say in what alliances Ukraine chooses?) then it didn't need to launch a full-scale invasion. Alas, the true motivation for Putin is ideological -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Historical_Unity_of_Russians_and_Ukrainians

Also, why would Russian ''security concerns'' about NATO be valid? Russia has thousands of nuclear warheads, this is enough of a deterrent, it does not need any buffer zone.

@IdkIdc Not to mention that NATO is a defensive alliance. There is no mechanism that would drag other NATO countries into an offensive war.

Biden has been one of the worst presidents in terms of foreign policy.

@SimranRahman finally some actual facts ❤

I strongly dislike both, but I think Biden is the lesser evil. My preferred candidate is Chase Oliver.