Will Daniel Penny be found guilty, and if so of what?
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Yes, second-degree manslaughter
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No, not found guilty

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So they spent four days debating the greater charge and couldn't come to a consensus, but then came to a not guilty verdict on the lesser in half a day. Huh?
I'm going to irresponsibly speculate that most of the jury wanted to acquit on manslaughter, but one or two activists were pushing for guilty verdict. Once they saw the judge dismiss the manslaughter charge, they might have given up hope and went along with the not guilty verdict so they could go home.

@GG I agree with your assessment. Keeping the case alive, and dismissing the biggest charge, was a boon to the defense. There was at least one person wanting Penny to walk. Now we can reasonably speculate that there was a holdout preventing a full not guilty verdict. Like, for example, people who like to feel safe riding the subway.

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@njmkw It should be fixed now. Try again

@Agh Thanks!

Just realized I bought NO on No, went I meant to buy YES on No. sigh.

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The judge has dismissed the manslaughter charge.

bought Ṁ500 NO

They can't come to an agreement on the top charge, manslaughter.
>https://www.foxnews.com/us/daniel-penny-jurors-tell-judge-they-cant-agree-top-charge-subway-chokehold-case

Which presumably means they can come to an agreement on the lower charge of criminally negligent homicide.

@GG that seems plausible but they were instructed not to consider the second charge until they had dealt with the first

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Didn't know that! Thank you!
But still, if we're on the border of manslaughter and not-manslaughter, I would expect we were well within the territory of negligent homicide (especially since there's no question of fact that Neely was killed by the chokehold, only questions on whether the chokehold was reasonable).

Although since we have 12 member of the jury, it's possible that some of them place Penny firmly in center of the manslaughter territory while other place him outside of either charge. This could lead to a hung jury on both the manslaughter and negligent homicide charges. Alternatively, some "no NH, no manslaughter" jurors might see a "yes NH, no manslaughter" as a type of compromise and vote to convict on NH once the manslaughter charge is off the table. They're not supposed to think this way, but some people do.

Either way, I don't see this ending in two not-guilty verdicts. Best case for Penny is a hung jury on the NH charge with a not-guilty on the manslaughter charge.

@GG I think a total acquittal is quite unlikely for a number of reasons and yes, that a negligent homicide verdict might be put forward as a “compromise”

What's the plan if we get a hung jury?

@GG hung jury is not found guilty

bought Ṁ50 NO

@njmkw If he's issued a retrial, this market resolvesyes even if pretrial finds him guilty?

@njmkw If he's issued a retrial, this market resolves yes even if re-trial finds him guilty?

@TimothyBandors the market is about this trial, yes. I may make a new one for a new trial!

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