Will Llama 3 400B be better than GPT-4?
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Resolves YES if any instance Llama 3 400B tops GPT-4 turbo (currently in 1st place) in the LMSYS Chatbot Arena Leaderboard within a year of its release.

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GPT-4-Turbo-2024-04-09 is currently tied for 5th place on LMSYS ("rank" 4). I'm assuming this market resolves based on the top LMSYS model with "GPT-4-Turbo" in its name a year after today, i.e., July 5, 2025. I'm also assuming this resolves based on Llama-3.1-405B and not future Llama 3 versions.

I'd recommend changing the title from "Will Llama 3 400B be better than GPT-4?" to "Will Llama-3.5-405B beat GPT-4-Turbo?" FYI this market is also set to close Dec 31, but 3.1 405B is only out today.

bought Ṁ50 NO

Extrapolating the 8b to 70b ELO trend for LLAMA-2 and LLAMA-3 as log-linear to 400B, I get that 400B should be 5ish ELO below Turbo. I suppose that means Meta could throw some extra fine-tuning compute at 400B to get it above Turbo to look good, but I'm not sure how easy/worthwhile that is (especially if they barely beat Turbo).

Apparently the model is going to be 405b though. How does that change the calculations?