You know how some tribes have a strong sense of orientation and navigate using cardinal directions?
I want to try to obtain this sense.
I made a page that makes a sound every time I face North; and, in intervals, directional sounds coming from where North is.
Will that work?
1,000"There is not yet a consensus on whether humans can sense magnetic fields or not, but it is being studied and some researchers have found evidence suggesting it"
@bessarabov you don't need magnetic fields to reliably know the rough direction of north. There's plenty of signs you can use, the position of the sun and the hour of the day, the stars at night, even the moss on trees and buildings trick is somewhat reliable in a pinch
@Odoacre in a Tip-to-tip show (crossing Japan without map, first or second episode) Michael successfully recognised in advance they were making a circle even without any external cues. He was just subconciously understanding that their turns summed up to 180 degrees. And he trained that feeling of direction by playing minecraft caves.
If you know, where the north at the entrance to an enclosed labyrinth, you can say where the north is for every point in the Labyrinth.
@JoshuaPhillipsLivingReaso your suggestion has a good chance of working, but the market described another method which is almost destined to fail.
@ms can you say a bit more about how you plan to resolve this? Is the criterion that after some amount of use (how much will you use it per day? For how long before resolving the market?) you'll be able to identify compass directions without it? Will the test of that be in a familiar or unfamiliar place? If unfamiliar, how will you get there from a familiar place? Or is it about whether that awareness of compass directions will persist after you stop using it? If so, how long after? I have informed opinions here & would like to participate in the market, but without clarifications it's too vague to answer (at least for me).
@TiredCliche (copying from a lower comment of mine on the doubt of this existing at all)
I might be misreading here, so sorry if I am, but I believe this ability does pretty much exist, but it's unknown whether its trainable. I think the tribes being referenced in the description are the Guguu Yimithirr speakers of North Queensland. This ability and integration in the language was described by linguistics/psycholinguistics in the '80s. It's not completely agreed upon (but not heavily questioned after extensive research either), but they've even demonstrated the ability to maintain perfect ability to know their orientation (and the orientation of objects on tables) while in windowless rooms/no vision of the outside, blindfolded, etc.
I think you can read about it in the Space in Language and Cognition book by Stephen Levinson. I think the OG came out in early 2000's, maybe a newer addition since then.
Comment section here makes me think they don't know about this example (there are a few others I think, maybe an Inca descended group in Peru? I can't remember now).
@No_uh I'm aware of those examples but I kinda think they might be bullshit. If I'm wrong, free money.
@TiredCliche I don't think based on the research it's likely they're bullshit. They're not 100% settled, but quite well agreed in psycholing/anthro areas.
regardless, don't think this means anything about 'free money' in this case. this market is quite detached from that existing.
@No_uh I'm pretty skeptical of psycholinguistics as a field and I think that anthropologists have been lying to themselves about cultural diffusion for like sixty years now. If I (dumbass) can notice that they're wrong on that account I think they might be wrong about a bunch of other things too
@TiredCliche If you don't mind, what about the Guguu Yimithirr studies did you find made them bullshit?
@No_uh Nothing specific, I am broadly skeptical of the Sapir-Whorff hypothesis, and of spectacular claims about indigenous tribes.
I'm pretty sure that some time ago—probably around 10 years ago—I read about an experiment by someone who created a belt with vibrating motors, where the working motor would always point north. I remember that he ultimately failed to create a reliable sense of direction or a feeling of 'north.' I tried looking for that article just now, but couldn’t find it. But I have found something similar:
@bessarabov my memory of the belt experiment is that it worked, but when they stopped using the belt, people felt lost and disoriented.
I think this is possible in principle, but for some reason I don’t think sound is a good enough prompt. Haptic vibrations might be better at training your brain/body.
David Eagleman’s done some really interesting work in this area
@Sz I might be misreading here, so sorry if I am, but I believe this ability does pretty much exist, but it's unknown whether its trainable. I think the tribes being referenced in the description are the Guguu Yimithirr speakers of North Queensland. This ability and integration in the language was described by linguistics/psycholinguistics in the '80s. It's not completely agreed upon (but not heavily questioned after extensive research either), but they've even demonstrated the ability to maintain perfect ability to know their orientation (and the orientation of objects on tables) while in windowless rooms/no vision of the outside, blindfolded, etc.
I think you can read about it in the Space in Language and Cognition book by Stephen Levinson. I think the OG came out in early 2000's, maybe a newer addition since then.
Comment section here makes me think they don't know about this example (there are a few others I think, maybe an Inca descended group in Peru? I can't remember now).