I wrote 'absolutely not', but i'll admit that i (& most people i know) do support state killing in certain extreme circumstances. Notably, it's sometimes acceptable for police to use violence against murderers who are actively in the process of violence, such as bombers.

the extreme circumstances for me would be if the person showed no hope for rehabilitation e.g., psychopaths with absolutely no remorse or empathy. We should not waste our time and resources on keeping them locked up for their whole life if they will never re-integrate.

It might depend on the society and region. A wealthier society can afford prisons to keep the most violent and dangerous criminals away from the population. A poorer one might resort to execution and exile due to their lack of resources. In the 21st century, most of the world should avoid the death penalty.

Seems clear that a functioning human community needs to isolate/disarm disruptors. But taking their lives, in practice, I don't see it serves a greater purpose. It's a hard subject. I have two serial killings, a party-gone-wrong shooting murder, however much stronger people taking advantage of the weaker, in my social and extended family circle.

We (U.S.) ask too much of our legal and justice system. Keeping society functioning, that it can do. Restorative community, maybe, but maybe better done in another framework. Loss, grief, anger -- a rule-of-law society needs strong forums and helps with that which aren't the courts. I don't have a complete vision of a just society. Only some aspects I can see and say, this ain't it.

I'm not ideologically opposed to the death penalty, but it seems like it's completely incompatible with modern liberal justice systems. It just seems impossible to implement (politically, practically) in any way that makes sense, and the theoretical benefits are so miniscule it's just not worth the trouble.

To be clear, "no, except for extreme circumstances" and "yes, in certain circumstances" are not mutually exclusive. Extreme circumstances are certain circumstances.

@NBAP sure. this is purposefully vague as you should pick the one which most closely aligns with your beliefs. the buckets don’t need to be perfectly discrete

invite me to the next life/death talk pls!

@strutheo @shankypanky haha, sure. the next time i make a market on a state execution and need to vent, we can group chat.

who says the questionable market topic has to come before the group chat? 🐔 🥚