Do turtles dream?
Resolved
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Jun 20
M$294 bet
post evidence / reasoning, and I'll decide based on evidence at the end of a week

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jack
Jack bought M$50 of NO
Found one study on aquatic mammals (not directly relevant to turtles): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8211436/. I still don't really know how to interpret it, but it offers some reasonable approaches to the question I think.
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Jack made M$14!
Sinclair
hmm inconclusive, but I'm more convinced that they dream than before.
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Conflux
Conflux bought M$10 of NO
Sinclair said she seemed skeptical…
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Duncan
Duncan bought M$10 of YES
Reptiles passing through REM on the way to slow-wave sleep makes me lean towards 'yes'.
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Duncan
Duncan is betting YES at 31%
I look forward to the ensuing "what is a dream, tho?" debate quickly descending into angry opines on the ontological status of qualia.
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jack
Jack is betting NO at 31%
REM sleep seems correlated but not the same as dreaming though - in humans, dreaming can but does not always happen during REM sleep. I like the working definition of "what is a dream" from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8211436/ : "patterns of neural activity, predominately within the cerebral cortex, that form transient imagery, experienced as conscious thought, that can be considered mental representations (Morgan, 2014), occurring during physiologically defined sleep". Not sure about the conscious thought part, but patterns of neural activity that form transient imagery during sleep sounds like a pretty reasonable starting point.
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Angela
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jqqain8Ti4A this video seems to insinuate that they have aspirations
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Angela
(sorry.)
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Sinclair
Una volta che avrai spiccato il volo, deciderai. Sguardo verso il ciel saprai: lì a casa il cuore sentirai.
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jack
Jack bought M$50 of NO
Found one study on aquatic mammals (not directly relevant to turtles): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8211436/. I still don't really know how to interpret it, but it offers some reasonable approaches to the question I think.
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Sinclair
I'm personally skeptical (5%) but not betting since I'm resolving
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