Futarchy's Fundamental Fix - Coin A
13
600αΉ€2088
resolved Jul 27
100%95%
N/A
4%
YES
1.5%
NO

Resolves YES to the result of Coin A on the linked "Futarchy's Fundamental Flaw" market. All other market answers resolve NO.

Market links:

/BoltonBailey/futarchys-fundamental-flaw-the-mark

/Quroe/futarchys-fundamental-fix-coin-b

Get
αΉ€1,000
to start trading!

πŸ… Top traders

#NameTotal profit
1αΉ€166
2αΉ€95
3αΉ€36
4αΉ€33
5αΉ€33

People are also trading

Sort by:
sold αΉ€60 NO

24.6%

16.4%

59%

sold αΉ€27 NO

@NivlacM now

0

0

100%

@NivlacM The scales have tipped! Let's see how this changes the game.

opened a αΉ€100 NO at 60% order

@Quroe I just like the market! I'm not smart enough to try tipping any scales. @Nick6d8e 's reasoning seemed good enough to me

@NivlacM I think the liquidity and volume are also core variables at play. I think you've made things spicy.

@Quroe oh no! I'm definitely not smart enough for more variables!

@NivlacM For example, imagine there was a million mana in liquidity on this market, but only a trickle on the other coin market and the main market.

There sure would be incentive to force coin A to resolve to the shareholder interests here.

@Quroe hmmm, so it's whale bait all the way down?

@NivlacM I think? I'm currently convinced it is, but I emotionally want to be wrong.

@NivlacM I had hypothesized that these derivative markets would cure the odds on the main market to their true theoretical percentages by creating an arbitrage outlet, but I am surprised to see that the markets are rejecting my mental simulation.

And I don't have a big enough brain to understand if the current market odds are actually calibrated. There is too much recursion for me to comprehend.

@Quroe I think that once the coin flips, it will be too expensive for a whale to manipulate the market.

If coin B is heads only, then limit orders on A-No at 80% and B-Yes at 81% are both +EV for whoever is trying to get B to resolve YES, and this is true even if a whale successfully manipulates the final probabilities.

If coin B is tails only, then limit orders on A-Yes at 31% and B-No at 30% are both +EV for whoever is trying to get B to N/A, and this is true even if a whale successfully manipulates the final probabilities.

I don't think that the liquidity here changes that too much -- any manipulating whales have to make bets that are guaranteed to be -EV in the hopes of getting a profit elsewhere.

yes

@crowlsyong I think I'm gonna need more context.

bought αΉ€10 YES

It seems like if we follow the claimed behavior in the original blog post, then there is a 41% chance that B is always-No, and therefore the market will see too it that A resolves, and there is then a 60% chance that A resolves Yes, so this market should be 0.6*0.41 = 24.6% YES, 0.4*0.41=16.4% NO, and 41% N/A (because the market will see to it that B resolves if B is always-Yes).

filled a αΉ€7 YES at 60% order

@Nick6d8e Fair heads up, I realized a flaw in the description when I copied and pasted the description. If you thought this was the coin B market, I'll refund you.

Same offer to you, @crowlsyong

@Quroe I think I understand correctly - this market is what is going to happen to coin A. I might be wrong about my reasoning (or wrong about believing the original blog post's reasoning), but I did intend to bet that there is a 24.6% chance that the market for coin A will resolve YES.

@Nick6d8e Excellent. I was having issues with the links presenting correctly, and the description was wrong here for a few minutes.

@Nick6d8e Ah, I see that I made a mistake in my post - I should have said 59% N/A (on the grounds that A should resolve N/A when B is revealed to be always-Yes)

@Nick6d8e Oh! I'm convinced you're right now.

People are also trading

Β© Manifold Markets, Inc.β€’Termsβ€’Privacy