@mods This should be unranked

Would be cool if markets had the ability to show graphs of trader numbers and trading volume over time as well, like they currently do for odds

@mods I think this is a glitch - it happened earlier as well - the 24 hour volume is greater than the total volume. Probably due to wash trading.

@Gameknight I posted about this bug on the Manifold discord. The wash trading shouldn't have any effect on this though.

Also, a tip for these types of markets: since there are no fees, it's easy to inflate the trading volume, and someone will do it if there is enough incentive (and if it's not a really unreasonable number). See here for an example: volume was increased to 10 million by a single person, and that was even back when manifold still had fees.

24-hour volume < 25k, so 500k is unreachable. Simple as that

@Gameknight my condolences, I too have underestimated others' ability to skyrocket trading volume in the past

@TheAllMemeingEye I just thought wash trading was not allowed - guess not! There goes $250 down the drain

@Gameknight Sorry about your loss. Perhaps a further lesson might be saying something like "simple as that" when the situation might be different may just goad someone into showing you that you are wrong.

"the whole point is lost" is possibly another example. If you haven't got the point right. I see the point here as more like lots of effort for small gains are possible so how far do people go for a small gain. You shouldn't assume the effort will be spread evenly.

@ChristopherRandles "Perhaps a further lesson might be saying something like "simple as that" when the situation might be different may just goad someone into showing you that you are wrong."

Ah, so you've done this out of spite. Well played.

@Gameknight You say spite.
I say altruistic desire to inform people.

Perhaps spite wouldn't involve discussing it in this manner? but perhaps largely a matter of perspective?

@ChristopherRandles It's a good lesson to learn, I'll admit, and I hope to never be so overconfident again; it's also quite snobbish to single-handedly resolve almost half the market just by having a lot of capital to wash-trade with. Wow, you're f*cking rich as a bank (in what is effectively fake monopoly money), and you've just shoved it in my face. Congrats, I guess? Either way, I traded 250 dollars in fake money for a life lesson: hopefully everyone else you talk to gets the same joy from you and your ego.

@Gameknight if it helps, 250 mana is more like $0.25 or $2.50 under old exchange rates

Any rules against wash trading?

@Simon74fe As far as I'm aware, no manipulation of market volume is allowed, but I'll ping @LCBOB just to check.

@Gameknight Are you saying it is not possible or that doing so to change a resolution will be treated as a manipulation and punished in some way. If so by who? Market creator or manifold admins?

I just checked and found it is still possible - volume now over 50k mana from 42k when I saw this market a little earlier.

I think Louis has allowed wash trading in other questions and I haven't seen punishment implemented or suggested on those questions.

@ChristopherRandles If wash trading is allowed, this entire market would be basically "how fast can people cycle buy/sell" and the whole point is lost, but since it's clearly possible I guess the market creator isn't going to do anything.

What’s the current volume?

@Ebcc1 You can click the three dots in the upper right, then See info. It's currently 25,110.

How is the 24 hour volume higher than the total volume?

@TimothyJohnson5c16 no idea, but we use TOTAL VOLUME

seems 24 hour volume = total volume/days elapsed
So when less than 1 day in, 24 hour volume is higher than total volume.

@ChristopherRandles That’s not how it’s supposed to work

Any plans on filtering out the same person repeatedly buying and selling just to inflate the number?

First three thresholds already reached. 😎👍

@4fa see you soon for the next 3 :)