Including but not limited to: banning me, muting me, deleting one of my comments, deleting one of my markets, or forcibly overriding resolution of one of my markets.
If an admin threatens to take any such action against me unless I do something, that will also count to resolve this to YES. However if it's just a polite request without any threat, that doesn't count.
This also does not include me asking them to do any of the above. (Like if I write a comment that I end up strongly regretting and I ask them to delete it for me.)
Only counts actions on Manifold itself, not Discord, Twitter, or other fora.
I hereby commit not to do anything that I know will likely result in moderation action just to cause this market to resolve YES.
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Notably, I think at least one of my earlier self-referential markets was delisted by the mods. I remember noticing that, but I didn't realize at the time it should make this market resolve YES. If anyone finds it I'll go ahead and resolve this market and we don't even have to wait for the Holocaust one to be delisted.
Also, I realize now that my criteria for this market were too broad. Delisting isn't really a moderation action, since we are allowed to create these types of markets, they just get delisted so as not to bother people who don't want to see them. I think I shouldn't have included delisting in these criteria, but it's probably too late now.
@IsaacKing i don't see delisting explicitly mentioned in the criteria
"Including but not limited to: banning me, muting me, deleting one of my comments, deleting one of my markets, or forcibly overriding resolution of one of my markets."
@Cadence It was mentioned in a few comments below. I should have added it to the description, that was my bad. (But it was covered by the "but not limited to" part.)
@IsaacKing i see, i had just figured that the "but not limited to" was fully your choice at the time of resolution
This is an example taken directly from the community guidelines which says the mods will delist the market: https://manifold.markets/IsaacKing/did-jews-make-up-the-holocaust-and
@NicoDelon People seem to keep being shocked by this, so I want to add some context to help clarify that I don't think you should be worried about this (no, Nazis are not taking over Manifold or anything like that):
The community guidelines contain examples of highly provocative questions for illustration purposes. To my knowledge, markets of this flavor had not previously existed.
There was a discussion about how having these examples in the community guidelines can be very off-putting (users might not realize that it's a completely hypothetical example).
Naturally, someone (Isaac) decided to turn the hypothetical example into a real example, to see what would happen. I am very confident that Isaac does not endorse this conspiracy theory (and have bet accordingly).
@jack The worry is not whether Isaac endorses the conspiracy but the mere existence of the market and Isaac creating it just for the sake of testing the community guidelines.
@IsaacKing i'm more joking than serious don't worry, I just think it's funny that you'd promise not to do anything to produce a moderation action to resolve this market, and then go and do something to produce a moderation action that would resolve this market
I think Isaac didn't violate it because he didn't do it "just to cause this market to resolve YES", and moreover he didn't do it knowingly (see https://manifold.markets/IsaacKing/did-jews-make-up-the-holocaust-and#01clqJDasifwhXVGeG7K)
As an example: https://manifold.markets/dailyreward/this-market-will-resolve-to-yes-at-6968f171b252#chhSIg2FlVyhnTPdgfEl.
"If an admin threatens to take any such action against me unless I do something, that will also count to resolve this to YES." -> it's a threat to take action unless one stops making markets of a specific type, not sure if you count that or draw a distinction
Delisting one of your markets would count as YES, correct?
As long as the delisting is a legitimate moderation action and is not, for example, something I gave them permission to do.
What about a warning?
Warnings count if they require me to take action. e.g. "I am warning you that you must delist this market or else I will delist it for you". If it's just a Warning along the lines of "please don't do this in the future", that doesn't count.
Despite my normal objections to non-consequentialist reasoning, I think I need to draw a distinction between action and inaction here, since otherwise the simple existence of the community guidelines would count as a threat to take action against me.