Will the Wagner group (PMC Wagner, Africa Corps PMC) still operate in Africa by the end of 2024?
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Resolves Yes if Wagner group (under any name) still maintains some form of operations in Africa** as an independent paramilitary. Resolves No if Wagner group dissolves/is incorporated into the Russian military.

** Prior to Jan 12, this read "Middle East/Africa/Russia/Eastern Europe etc." instead of Africa. Due to definitional issues and possible ambiguities, this has been changed. Please comment if you give a significant probability of Wagner exiting Africa but still operating in a large capacity, as an independent paramilitary, outside of Africa.

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Wagner group doesn't exist anymore, after death of Prigozhyn all assets belong to Shoigu. All the same people do still operate in Africa, but not under the PMC Wagner banner.

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filled a Ṁ80 NO at 5% order

The Wagner Group, known for its operations in Africa and other regions, is anticipated to undergo significant changes by the end of 2024. Despite predictions of its end, the Wagner Group’s operations in Africa and the Middle East are expected to persist, serving multiple interests of the Russian state. These operations are likely to continue under new leadership and structure, maintaining Russia's influence in these regions through strategic and economic engagements​​.

Further, Russia is preparing to launch the "African Legion" as a new military force in Africa to replace the Wagner Group. This initiative will mark a shift towards a more official and legitimate military presence directly subordinate to the Russian Ministry of Defense, operating in countries such as Burkina Faso, Libya, Mali, the Central African Republic, and Niger. The African Legion is composed of former Wagner operatives and private security contractors affiliated with Russian companies working in Africa, aiming to provide security and training services to African governments​​.

Moreover, this new structure, the African Legion, has already begun to take shape, with the arrival of Russian military personnel in Burkina Faso, indicating Russia's continued commitment to its presence and influence in Africa. This transition reflects an evolving strategy to maintain Russian military and strategic interests in the region, under a framework that might offer better control and legitimacy than the operations previously conducted by the Wagner Group​​.

Therefore, it appears that while the Wagner Group as it is currently known may not operate in the same capacity by the end of 2024, its essence and objectives will persist through the African Legion and other restructured entities under the direct supervision of the Russian government. This development indicates a continuation, albeit in a different form, of Russia's military and strategic activities in Africa.

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According to the definition given by the creator, this should resolve NO. Africa Corps, the successor to Wagner PMC, is under direct supervision of the Russian Ministry. The description states that operating as an independent entity is a neccessary condition. Wagner has been incorporated into the Russian military.

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@FUTURESEARCH Virtually all current articles about what was Wagner now portray it as a part of the Russian military:

Since then, the organisation has been taken in-house, with its functions absorbed by the Russian Defence Ministry

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/russian-forces-expand-base-in-mali-after-death-of-wagner-group-leader-yevgeny-prigozhin-13082977

Since the death last summer of its former leader Yevgeny Prigozhin, the group’s operations have been subsumed by Russia’s overseas military intelligence unit, known as the GRU.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2024/02/27/russia-offering-african-governments-regime-survival-package-report.html

"This, including all former Wagner mercenaries, is managed by the (Russian) Ministry of Defense," he told Interfax Ukraine, according to a translation

https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-war-wagner-mercenary-avdiivka-1873425

@Shump While absorption of the Wagner Group into the Russian military is underway it has not been decisively shown that this process is complete. To resolve the market we need verification that the Wagner Group has been fully disbanded or fully incorporated into the Russian military and no longer operating as an independent paramilitary.

@FUTURESEARCH Are the sources I cited not enough? Newsweek literally says that all Wagner operations are not part of the Russian MoD. Do you have any sources backing the fact that Wagner is still operating independently?

If this is not enough evidence, what would be enough? Because I'm honestly confused what higher standard of evidence can there be.

@Shump The Newsweek story seems to indicate that the entire Wagner force in Ukraine is under control of the Russian military. The CNBC story claim does seem decisive. But I'm having trouble corroborating it. The Wikipedia article on this does not seem to claim anywhere that Wagner is controlled by the Russian military, despite ample commentary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group#Relationship_with_the_Russian_state.

Can you find another source? The CNBC one sites the Royal United Services Institute, which I am not sure is completely trustworthy.

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