Should people have complete control over their appearance (be able to be arbitrarily attractive, shapeshift, etc.)
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I think more people would start favoring no when they start seeing a bunch of 40 y/o men guising as 13 y/o girls. As an active VR user where this is already possible, I voted for yes, because I like freedom of expression, and am not one to kink shame. However I know that I'm an extremist here and such freedoms has some serious social ramifications that will eventually have to be partially regulated.

Yes but only for genuine purposes. No intimidation, evading justice, or skinwalker shit

Yes, but I think most humans will choose to live in spaces where this right is restricted.

@adele why? It's win-win. I want to see less ugly people on the street.

@RanaG The restriction might be fairly minor, like remaining recognizably human. (I'm imagining how this might work in a future where there are very few physical limitations.)

Certain traits are relative (like height) and many people will prefer living in a space where there is still variation in the trait and/or not have to worry about an arms race dynamic. Or where such traits are connected to something that requires effort, so it can be used as a signal.

Some people just have terrible aesthetics and will choose things like having grotesquely disproportionate sexually dimorphic parts, or having the most disturbing possible bodies - not just creepy monster but more like graphic warcrime. Most people won't want to live around the dude with a penis literally bigger than the rest of his body, or someone with a NSFL nightmare appearance.

(And of course, some people will want to live only around people with a specific ethnic appearance, or conventional attractiveness, etc...)

I think the equilibrium of all this will be large spaces (> 1 million people each) which best balance the competing desires for everyone. Plus interface protocols for visiting other spaces, and millions or so of holdouts for whom living in a large society isn't worth giving up their desired form.

Voted no because anyone being able to freely impersonate anyone creates obvious problems.

@gregrosent What if we imagined that you always kept your unique traits?

@GazDownright Then I’d be fine with it.

@gregrosent Yeah, it's hard to give an unqualified answer to this one

@gregrosent this is such limited thinking. The Internet industry has resolved this issues ages ago using public/private keys

public key cryptography

@RanaG lol exactly

@RanaG what if P=NP and public key cryptography is impossible tho?

@Bayesian we find another way

@RanaG yeah probably

@Bayesian @RanaG Yeah, I guess you're probably right. Most people most of the time wouldn't shape-shift for identity theft, and we could use public-key crypto when it really matters. (And if P=NP but in the future everyone has their own quantum smartphone, there's still some hope that this could work, see e.g. Section 1.1 of https://arxiv.org/pdf/2310.08870.pdf.)

I also didn't adequately take into consideration the benefits of shapeshifting - personally I think most people look fine by default, but the existence of the fashion industry implies that a large fraction of humanity disagrees.

@gregrosent most people don't look fine, mostly due to lack of fitness but also due to some other illnesses e.g., aging

Obvs, people should be in charge of themselves (makeup, clothes, body modification, etc) this is fundamental to free will. The real question is more like, is there any moral value tied to the speed/frequency/profundity of the change~

@Tea i don't think it's fundamental to free will lol, but agree they should be, and that's another interesting question

@Tea no

@Bayesian no that's not an interesting question

What are the arguments against this? The sacred God's image human body plan?

@TheAllMemeingEye if everyone looks super attractive attractiveness stops being meaningful? idk

@Bayesian but then, fashion

@TheAllMemeingEye Being able to exactly impersonate someone else would create more problems than value created.

@Paul I guess people could identify themselves with password phrases like we do with online accounts? Sure it's a little inconvenient but nothing compared to the euphoric glory of instant transhuman utopia

@Bayesian that's like when crypto bois artificially limit supply on their shiny tokens

@RanaG based. also could i interest you in a free 160M bounty?

@Bayesian lol for what?

@Bayesian ah I was slow

@RanaG YOU DOUBLED IT HOW DARE YOU

@Bayesian I'm a good collaborator

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