2022 FIFA World Cup: Will any player manifest support for LGBT during the game?
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Will resolve to YES if during the game at the World Cup 2022 any of the players visibly exposes (by gesture, celebration, undershirt) support for LGBT rights and community, in opposition to FIFA's "suggestions" and bans.

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predictedNO

I'm still waiting for proofs for such manifest, so far it's not clear YES at all

It seems pretty clear npbody broke fifa guidelines in any way. all gear was checked beforehand and allowed through. The vagely coloured boots, etc seem ridiculous grasping at straws.

predictedYES

@WieDan the question doesn't ask if anyone broke the FIFA guidelines, it asks if anyone manifested support for LGBT during the game. I'm pretty confident that was Neuer's intent in wearing the No Discrimination armband, given the context.

This video might be relevant information to decide if there was or not support for LBTQ+ community, European captains (including Neuer) preferred not to wear a One Love armband (not even a real rainbow flag one) than to receive a yellow card: https://youtu.be/ysIAZNoZU0E

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-cup/2022/11/23/germany-players-cover-mouths-protest-fifa-onelove-armband-row/ old, but relevant. They were wearing rainbow boots, apparently during the match. Does this count? surely boots count as much as an undershirt?

predictedYES

@Adam to be fair, I haven't found a definitive reference to them wearing them during the match; the photos here are from the warmup, and the news reporting talks about them wearing them during the warmup mostly.

@Adam found it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXVWZS76QyE

The keeper is wearing his protest boots.

predictedYES

@Adam wait no, don't resolve, that was the japanese keeper!

@Adam and Neuer wasn't! sorry if it feels like I took yall on a ride here!

@Adam football.london/international-football/manuel-neuer-germany-japan-armband-25587247
> Having been checked by the match officials for the OneLove armband, Neuer was still allowed to play with a rainbow pattern on his boots.

@Adam the pattern is on the front of his boots, not visible from behind the goal. struggling to find a picture that can confirm he's wearing it in-game but it looks like it's the same model of boot at least

predictedYES

@Adam here he is prematch with the rainbow boot; compare to the image from behind. clearly the same model, though always possible he had one set with and one without stripes.

@Adam found this still; looks like them to me. So yeah, if rainbow boots count then it should resolve yes, I feel.

predictedYES

found a good high-res still, clearly during the match. hard to see the rainbow pattern but it's there!

predictedYES

His intent here is clear; the only other question IMO is whether he did this "in opposition to FIFA's "suggestions" and bans."; he specifically chose to wear this and a "no discrimination" armband instead of the banned onelove armband.

@Adam The no descrimination armband is very convincing for positive resolution, so even if it doesn’t happen 👏

@Adam I don't think those boots are rainbow pattern, you :can see them here:

@egroj this is the source: https://www.futbolemotion.com/en/buy/football-boot/adidas/copa-sense-.1-fg-core-black-bright-cyan-team-solar-yellow

And here you can see that those are Manuel Neuer's regular season boots: https://www.futbolemotion.com/en/the-goalkeeper-gloves-of/manuel-neuer

So he didn't do anything special, unless you can find something that actually points out that those boots are supposed to be pro-LGBT

predictedYES

@egroj well, he definitely wore a no discrimination armband, for one

predictedNO

@Adam that's not the famous gay rainbow pattern.

certainly much less likely that at the beginning of the tournament but I feel like 20% underrates the odds of someone taking advantage of the fact that the finals (or the awards ceremony afterwards) are extremely high profile and also too late for any consequences to matter for this world cup.

predictedYES

@Adam I guess the text of the question makes the award ceremony too late, to be fair. But yeah, there's no next match to be sanctioned for that matters if you do your protest in a WC final or 3rd place match, whereas all previous matches you're running the risk of being told you can't participate in the next match, should your team win.

Agree with Nick, it's got to be a nearly 100% chance. Taking advantage of an arbitrage opportunity. I've already seen some rather rainbow-y shoes, and only a matter of time before it's officially highlighted by someone.

predictedYES

@EliGaultney I think if you screen grab that, then it resolves to 'yes'. The question doesn't state that the broadcast has to highlight the support.

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