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Will someone convince me NOT to use Google Chrome as a browser by month-end? (Extended to July 6)
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Brave is a much better experience than Chrome in my view, uses much less resource, blocks ads and trackers by default. But it is chromium based.

If you can be persuaded on performance, I think trying it for a bit should do it.

A non-Chromium browser like Firefox would be a better anti-monopoly choice - having a significant share of the browser market that isn't controlled by a global megacorporation sounds like it will be playing some structural role in keeping user and developer interests at the table where commercial interests would otherwise have greater dominance (e.g. setting of web standards and protocols).

Mozilla's existence and voice are valuable for maintaining your privacy, which you say is a minor concern now, but which could be a greater concern in future. Their advocacy for privacy is also valuable for others whose privacy may be valuable to you e.g. whistleblowers uncovering fraud and corruption that affects you.

There is also an extent to which privacy is part of the commons, thus valuing privacy should be part of one's calculations even if one has "nothing to hide". The more of us that freely give up our data to megacorporations, the easier it is for them to predict the behaviour of the remainder that don't.

So - I am not especially fearful of my past behaviour being used to justify harming me, but I am concerned about it being used to predict my likely future behaviour by people with an incentive to squeeze the maximum value they can out me; people who can keep things just on the edge of intolerable for my whole life if that's where max profit comes from.

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@Simon3c6c Hm you make good points! For adblocking I'm satisfied with uBlock origin (used it on chrome as well, works quite well!), but I shall be sure to check out brave as well and see if there's a noticeable performance difference.

Ok, I've actually realized that of my 3 profiles, I only use one (like 95%+ of the time). So, I'm pretty satisfied with the method of creating a desktop shortcut for those specific profiles. Bookmarks, history, accounts, transferred effortlessly and I'm still loving the UI.

One thing I'm still not happy with is the video playing, though. After around half an hour of playing videos on 3x speed, they start getting extremely choppy. I figured this out when running a long podcast on youtube, which is really the only time I'm on youtube for >30 minutes consecutively. This is very suboptimal, but... I also don't need to watch a podcast, so I'm not too troubled by this.

I'd be open to hear other reasons to not leave chrome for firefox, or more reasons to leave chrome for firefox, but right now I'm heavily leaning towards just using firefox!

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@Heliscone Also, if people have left firefox for other browsers or something similar, I'd love to hear your general reasons for why!

@Heliscone Brave has a built in adblocker, tracking protections, you can easily transfer all of your bookmarks and so on from Chrome and it's built on Chromium like Chrome is, so it'll be a more familiar interface

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@KabirKumar filthy chromium based browsers are a weak form of protest! Don't support the Google hegemony! Use firefox + Ublock Origin (a better ad blocking experience).

(mildy /s)

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Ahaha, yeah I'm currently using uBlock Origin which is working quite well.

I'm not concerned about the interface though, since I'm pretty chameleony when it comes to adapting to new platforms.

Why not try Brave Browser and earn BAT?

Pretty happy with Firefox (especially on mobile since it supports extensions including ad block, unlike mobile chrome)

@A Shoot I missed this. Since I didn't see this for 6 days and this is a dead market, I've just extended closing a bit.

I've tried Firefox before, but will give it a fair try before resolving. Mobile isn't much of a concern to me. Initially, Firefox is way nicer-looking/feeling than Chrome. I'll use it for a while and see if I notice Search Labs being missing.

Do you have any tips for using Firefox desktop efficiently?

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@Heliscone TBH it's pretty much a drop-in replacement for Chrome, I use both and rarely notice the difference. I do think the Firefox aesthetic is a little nicer and sometimes it seems a bit less resource hungry, plus it's nice to support a company that's a bit more friendly IMHO. Plus it makes the web a bit less of a Blink monoculture so Google can't just unilaterally rewrite web standards.

@A I'm writing this on Firefox.

I may also have been influenced from using Firefox on my elementary school's desktops, which seems to have built a (false) Firefox-outdated-bad bias in my head. So when I briefly downloaded it a few months back I didn't really give it a fair try, but I think I am now.

I've already noticed a couple nice QOL things:

  • Picture-in-Picture is very convenient

  • Printing pdfs doesn't freeze the browser

  • Video-playing is less power hungry at the same resolution/speed (hardware acceleration + open apps controlled for, I'm not sure if the difference is significant, but it appears to be consistent)

  • I think it might have better dark modes?

  • The smooth scrolling+smooth fades are so nice. Indeed, I've spent a good couple minutes just scrolling back and forth because I love this scroll animation.

Generally the UI feels fast, which is nice. A couple negative things initially are:

  • I have noticed myself opening ChatGPT more instead of Search Labs, and I've run into my message-limit a few times.

  • Creating several profiles seems mildly inconvenient, which is a major downside since I regularly switch between a few accounts.

I feel cautiously optimistic because the UI is so much better, but I'm not yet fully convinced that this will outweigh profiles+no Search Labs.

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@Heliscone So I'm not concerned about Search Labs, and I've fixed my video playback issues (for a while on 3x speed the videos were freezing like crazy). However... many profiles is still an issue. I'm working on that now.

I did buy no, but would be elated to lose it in exchange for using a better browser!

@Botlab I see you have purchased yes. Do please help me find a better browser!!!
[joking. joking.]