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[Ṁ200 subsidy] Will Typhoon Saola move eastwards by 1 degree longitude while at or above Tropical Storm strength?
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resolved Sep 3
Resolved
NO

Background

Super Typhoon Saola (09W) is a strong tropical cyclone expected to affect Hong Kong and the Guangdong Coast on September 1 (Friday), 2023 and over the weekend. The Hong Kong Observatory expected Saola to weaken due to interaction with terrain and the northeast monsoon. However, some agencies (such as JMA and JTWC) predict a U-turn of the typhoon to the east afterwards, possibly due to interactions with another typhoon, Haikui (10W), which is currently approaching the eastern coast of China.

JMA track information

JTWC data as of August 31, 0300 UTC

Resolution Criteria

Resolves YES if the low-pressure centre of Saola moves one degree longitude eastwards, after the creation of the market, while maintaining Tropical Storm strength (Maximum sustained winds near the centre at or above 63-87 km/h, 39-73 mph, or 34 to 63 knots).

Resolves NO if Saola weakens below Tropical Storm strength at any point without fulfilling the condition of YES. Will still resolve NO if Saola or the remnant of Saola reintensifies in the east or move east afterwards.

Will resolve based on HKO data, supplemented with JTWC data and my own measurement if necessary. I will not bet on this market, but I will put Ṁ100 in as subsidy.

2023/08/31 Update 1: Added another Ṁ100 subsidy.

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Resolved NO as of September 3, 2023, 10Z. Thank you very much to everyone who have participated in this market, especially to @parhizj and @sarius for their valuable and engaging input!

I might or might not open other markets informed or inspired by GFS predictions in the future 😏

According to the latest HKO and JTWC data, Saola has weakened into a tropical depression. Saola has not been observed to have made the posited eastward movement prior to its weakening. This means the condition for a resolution of NO has been satisfied.

If there is no disagreement, I will resolve this market as NO at September 3, 2023, 10Z.

From the HKO page, Saola has become a TD as of Sep 2, 23HKT. I am going to wait a bit for the corroboration from JTWC, but this market is very likely to be resolved NO.

Expected to weaken to TD by ~ this time tomorrow.

As @parhizj noted, Saola seems to be weakening quickly before it will or can make a turn, for now, especially considering the increased terrain interaction now that it landed in western Guangdong.

Still doesn’t look like it will be strong enough when/ if it does take a turn

Latest JTWC shows it downgrading below TS before it can cross 1 degree east.

JTWC forecast as of 09/01 00Z. Predicted land interaction with Hainan island.

By my count more of the models (EGRR, most of the ECMWF ensemble members, HAFS, CTCX) show it not turning so drastically (vs GFS and JTWC). Where as for the GFS and JTWC they have it weaker than a TS (but they also have underestimated the strength of the storm lately by my estimation)

JTWC forecast as of 08/31 15Z. Still showing the predicted turn but slower movement.

JTWC forecast as of 08/31 09Z. Still showing the predicted turn.

Have to emphasise in the description that it's after the creation of the market for maximum clarity, lest the initial circular motion east of Philippines might count 😅

GFS redemption arc!!!! (after what has been a disappointing season for the model so far)

@sarius note to self: never bet in favor of the GFS again 😭