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Alright, maybe we need to give up on the return of tips. How about anti-tips? Anyone?

@SG I agree with @IsaacKing that the current ‘tip’ feature doesn’t quite capture the spirit of the original. Is there an appetite for re-implementing the real deal? I thought the exponentially scaling tip button was a fairly elegant stand-in for ‘likes’. If the first click is 1 mana, then 5, 10, 25, etc.

I know there was some trouble with folks understanding it as well as undoing mistaken tips, but I feel like a tooltip at the beginning could address the first concern. Not sure how long the undo window should be.

I’ve mentioned before that I think ‘likes’ as the default is a missed opportunity to more strongly incentivize higher-quality comments, and quite simply, it feels like tips instead of likes (or in addition to likes) would represent another uniquely Manifold spin on an age-old social media feature.

Of course, lots of other priorities compared to re-implementing a feature y’all felt only power users were using, but I still think it would catch on and become an integral part of Manifold culture. (Would love to be able to tip markets again as well! Or perhaps more easily subsidize to signal that same appreciation.)

Gah, of course Manifold had to implement something right on the border of counting as a "tip".

For reference, old tips were in place of likes; you simply clicked the like/tip button on a comment and it sent M$10 to that person, no limit to how many times you could do so.

There is now a button that says "tip", but obviously that alone is not enough, since they could have made any button say "tip". Is the functionality similar enough? It's basically just a slightly more convenient manalink. I would not have accepted manalinks rebranded to "tips", so I don't see why I should accept this.

Specifically, the two main differences are:

• Old tips were low friction. A single button press to tip M$10; no dropdown menu, no quantity entry box.

• Old tips were displayed on comments, so there was a public way to see how much a comment had been tipped.

I think the second one is a dealbreaker for me; I saw the main feature of tips as being "likes, but more economically-minded and in the spirit of Manifold". The current "tip" button is not that. So this market will remain open unless someone provides a convincing counterargument.

@IsaacKing But the current tips just consolidate the distributed information onto the profile of the user. So you can see all of the tips they have received in one location. That was not possible before and is arguably a much better implementation of the same idea you liked. It is after all the commenter that is receiving the tip, not the comment per se.

@BTE Oh, hmm. I didn't know there was a tab for them. Still not super visible though, and it doesn't look like there's a single number for that person's total managrams? And it will include payments for reasons other than comment-appreciation.

I think tips were primarily for appreciating a comment, not for appreciating a person.

I feel like this market is currently mispriced. The new feature doesn't allow you to do anything you couldn't before. It just pre-fills a managram form. Resolving YES would not be unreasonable, but I'm definitely not 98% sure Isaac will.

@jskf The question doesn't say "will Manifold add a feature which allows you to do something you couldn't do before?", so I don't see how that's relevant.

@Strigoides Sure, but it does say "re-implement tips", and tips were a specific feature that used to exist, which I am pretty sure currently does not.

@jskf Wasn’t that what tips were doing anyway?

I was assuming tips showed up on comments in the UI, but I haven't actually checked.

@jskf Well sure, but I don't think that "reimplement" implies that it must work exactly the same way.

I can tip comments. Please resolve

@IsaacKing let's go!

Does the managrams feature count?

@jskf I wouldn't think so. Pretty noticeably different.

@SneakySly Thanks, don't think I was active when the feature existed, so wasn't sure.

@jskf What is the managrams feature?

@IsaacKing direct-to-user manalinks (with public visibility). actually, "manalinks" is probably wrong here. it just sends them mana and a comment, I don't believe they need to accept anything

@Stralor Oh neat, they finally added those. Good feature. Not all that similar to tips though.

Does this count?

@jskf Good question!

@SneakySly To me the spirit of Manifold tips is their social/public nature. On discord I think they said they did this because it was too easy not to.

https://discord.com/channels/915138780216823849/1144097945394884638/1144749987121598536

Not trying to make a claim how this should resolve, but I do hope there’s some more social version. (Though Ian mentioned they got rid of it because not many folks used it..)

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@Charlie That makes sense to me. If tipping through that interface gilded the comment or something that would be more analogous.

Yeah I don't think this is really enough to count as tips being back.

Well, if manifold wants to grow, it needs more "social" features to incentivize inviting friends