Will there be an official rule against creating a new market by copying other market creator's market description before the end of 2023?
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Resolves to Yes if Manifold prohibits users from

  1. Creating an identical market by copying the market description of another market OR

  2. Creating a similar market that uses highly similar wordings as the market description of another market

before the end of 2023.

Otherwise resolves to No.

The rule has to been written in the community guideline to count towards the resolution. A comment by a Manifold employee on some market or Discord do no suffice.

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📢Resolved to NO
It is in the Community Guidelines : Running a market, that they would get no Subsidy if "Market is an exact, or close to exact, duplicate of an existing market." But they are not under any rules against creation.

One idea: Duplicate markets are allowed, but they don't get unique trader bonuses. That way people aren't incentivized to copy markets just to get bonuses, but they can still do it if there's another reason like not trusting the original creator.

Problem: There's no clear boundary between duplicates and non-duplicates. (e.g. changing the close date by 1 minute is still a duplicate, changing it by 5 years is probably not.) So there'd need to either be mods making fiat judgements, or a community poll system where users vote on whether a given market is similar enough to another to be considered a duplicate.

Related:

predicted NO

I think the most interesting case is when the duplicate market is exactly the same, except for resolver's reputation. Like Isaac's market below. I imagine more people will want to trade on Isaac's market because they trust Isaac more (he has 10x as many markets and has been on Manifold for 10x longer). One one hand this is good, because it leads to more accurate predictions. But on the other hand it's unfair that Gene came up with the idea for this market, but Isaac gets to collect most of the unique trader bonuses.

Maybe there needs to be some kind of royalties system where some of the trader bonuses of the duplicate market go to the original market's creator?

predicted NO

@Yev I would support something like a split of new trader bonuses between them. Maybe 2 parts to the resolver and 1 part to the original creator?

predicted NO

@LivInTheLookingGlass What if the new market creator can choose any split they want, but the split ratio is public? Maybe there will be enough social pressure to keep the split fair?

@Yev Manifold does have a clear need for even more economic thought experiments.

@IsaacKing Please help advertise this market

predicted NO

@Yev After seeing the Destiny 600k markets, I think my idea probably would not work.

@Yev Why not?

predicted NO

@IsaacKing I assumed that people would mostly do this as misresolution insurance, and trader bonus farming was just an unfortunate side effect. But the 600k markets were created specifically to farm bonuses.

@Yev Gamble Markets and Jojothebanker didn't already demonstrate that people would do that? :)

predicted NO

@IsaacKing AmmonLam demonstrated that even people who usually create good markets will try to farm bonuses.

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bought Ṁ100 of NO

If so, you would need to remove the duplicate button for people other than the creator. Many of my more popular markets have been a copy of another one with differing time frames. This is a really useful thing to have

@LivInTheLookingGlass disclosure: I personally find it convenient to copy other people's market and create a new one (often for a different time frame), but recognize that some market creators might feel that their intellectual property rights are being violated in those situations (especially for markets in which the market description has been carefully crafted to avoid ambiguity or to provider relevant information)

It's helpful to gauge manifold communities' sentiment towards this issue by creating this market.

bought Ṁ70 of NO

I think it would be nice if the forked market had a link to the original market.

predicted NO

@Yev I mean automatically. I know many people already do this manually.

I agree, being able to duplicate markets and make slight modifications is very useful, but I think it would be good for the original author should get a) credit, and b) a share of the author bonuses. Of course, things get fuzzier when you make a market that's heavily based on another person's market but with substantial changes.

predicted NO

@jack also, I would love it if it kept the same groups, not just the top group

@LivInTheLookingGlass Yes, definitely!