I will only count the title & body text of his official article. If there is dispute what the real manifesto/article is, I will go by whichever document takes focus on Destiny specifically in relation to sexual impropriety, or if there are multiple, then whichever document makes up the majority of the video MrGirl uploads covering the "manifesto". If it's actually really unclear, I'll resolve to poll.
Any phraseology is sufficient for a YES resolution. He must explicitly mention suicidality, suicidal thoughts, and at least infer that it is Destiny's fault. For example, "throughout this period I was so distressed I wanted to kill myself", or [in reference to himself] "It is enough to make someone suicidal".
Explicit mention of suicidality in reference to himself will resolve YES.
Will resolve to poll if unsure and market is popular (20+ traders), otherwise N/A only if I believe it is unclear.
Edit 18/3/23
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@Gen The fact that he directly referenced this market is hilarious LOL. I thought he would hammer on the orbiter stocks more.
@johnleoks If you disagree make your case ! It’ll probably be 12 hours before I resolve this ❤️ (sorry)
@Gen Yeah i'm just waiting for people to make the case that he has been made suicidal. Nowhere in the article did Max say that Destiny made him suicidal.
@Gen I disagree only because I picked the wrong one and if you resolve as YES I will make money 😁
It seems like MrGirl will definitely mention suicide a lot. If there is an entire section about suicide (as it seems there will be) then the "explicit mention of suicidality" may become a bit murkier, e.g. the explicit mention may be separated by other text by a significant amount. As a general rule though, the further away the explicit mention is from the self-referential negative feelings, the clearer he will need to be with those feelings.
If he has been talking about suicide for 10 pages, and then half way down the 11th page of that section he says something like, "I felt the worst I've felt in my life, I was feeling everything that [example person] was feeling" or "I felt this too", it may be sufficient, depending on whether or not I expect that a reader unfamiliar with Max would interpret it as him suggesting his own suicidal ideation.
As written in description, if I'm unsure I will resolve to poll. The poll (if necessary) will be shared here, and in at least one other place
To clarify:
Would claiming Destiny's community made him suicidal be sufficient? I imagine even if he doesn't make an explicit connection, he's still going to perhaps vague-post about feeling suicidal as a result of DGG, and then also separately claim Destiny plays fast and loose welding the power of his community, and being irresponsible.
Is that enough, or would you need a "therefore my suicidal feelings are Destiny's fault" sentence?
@PersonMan0326 That would be sufficient. If he says "I was suicidal" at any point, unless he's explicitly talking about something else horrible that happened to him (e.g. "I was abused by my Dad, it made me suicidal)
Otherwise, connection to Destiny is assumed. If he says DGG made him suicidal, that would count. Note some other clarifications in these comments regarding the suicide reference itself. It needs to be explicit. Not just "I was really, really, really, sad", but he needs to say something explicit about suicide, attach it to himself (even if its vague, it can't be explicitly referencing someone elses suicidality) and also connect it to being Destiny's fault (DGG and their behaviour is also the fault of Destiny). The only exception to that I can think of is if he says "but.. I don't blame Destiny for this". Then it wouldn't count.
For example, "throughout this period I was so distressed I wanted to kill myself", or [in reference to himself] "It is enough to make someone suicidal".
So, even if he doesn't say or imply that it made him suicidal, it still counts if he says that situations he faces would make some general or even particularly vulnerable person suicidal?
Also, that whole paragraph in general doesn't read as if it would apply exclusively to an induced state of mind of mrgirl.
@someguy2776 Some clarifying examples, where I substitute the end of this imaginary excerpt. Sample text: "This was really hard for me. I lost a dear friend. I loved steven. I still love steven. I miss him. I was really struggling. ------------------"
-- "I wanted it all over, I wanted to die" -- resolves YES
-- "I thought about how Destiny would have killed a weaker person" -- NOT sufficient
-- "I could feel that Destiny could seriously harm, or kill someone" -- NOT sufficient
-- "I would understand if someone in my position considered suicide" -- resolves YES
-- "Suicide crossed my mind" -- resolves YES
-- "Lav was suicidal, I was close" -- NOT sufficient
-- "Lav was suicidal, it was difficult" -- NOT sufficient
-- "Lav was suicidal, I struggled deeply too" -- resolves YES (close call?)
-- "I thought about how if I didn't stop him, someone would die" -- NOT sufficient
-- "I was harming myself" -- NOT sufficient
Keep in mind, it must be IN THE BODY TEXT OR TITLE OF THE ARTICLE. Max can't say this shit on stream or embellish as he reads it. I'm being loose with the reference, because I doubt he will actually write in the article "I wanted to neck myself" or something like that, but he might write some artistic allusion like I wrote above. However, if he reads something that is a little fuzzy, like any of the examples above, and then says on stream "Basically I was suicidal", then I would interpret the "fuzzy" line a lot more suicidally- as long as it has an explicit suicidality reference.
If it says "I really hated myself at this time" and then he says on stream while he reads it "I was suicidal", that still doesn't count. I will only resolve YES if someone reading the article could reasonably tie an explicit mention of suicidality to MrGirls state of mind, even if it's a little fuzzy.
I hope that helps. Please submit any of your own examples, and I will pre-determine an answer. I really don't want it to be a vague decision, and if it is unclear how it should be resolved, I will sell my position and donate any profits to charity or other traders.
@Gen ""I would understand if someone in my position considered suicide" -- resolves YES
How would this resolve to YES though? He's not explicitly saying that HE was suicidal.
@PunishedFurry Because I think that someone reading that would infer that the writer was suicidal as well. The resolution criteria is, [explicit mention of suicidality, because of Destiny] + [reference to Max]. It doesn't have to be explicitly stating that he himself is suicidal. Just enough that a reader might infer he was suicidal - because he's mentioning suicidality, which makes little sense if he wasn't suicidal (unless, as stated, because it's explicitly relating to someone else).
To be clear, the line in the description that @someguy2776 has queried "[in reference to himself] It is enough to make someone suicidal" has been there from the beginning.
@Redact If he writes "at no point was I suicidal" -> Resolves NO (assuming there is no other explicit contradictory mention of suicidality in reference to himself)
If there is both "I was suicidal" AND "I was not suicidal" -> Resolves YES (as a reader would believe that he is claiming Destiny made him suicidal, at some point)
@Gen What if he said "I was never suicidal but I could understand if someone in my position did consider suicide"?
@Gen further clarification, if he quotes someone else saying "I was suicidal" - [name], that won't resolve this market YES.
That contains [explicit mention of suicidality], condition 1 but
does not meet [reference to max] condition 2, and
is unclear on [because of Destiny], condition 3 (as I have provided no context around the quote), although condition 3 will generally be autoapplied unless its a really out of context thing, e.g. MrGirl saying in a random screenshot or logs (contained within the article) to Lav 3 months ago, "I'm suicidal", if it's not implied that its because of Destiny, then I won't resolve based on that
@PunishedFurry if he says "I was never suicidal, but I could understand if someone in my position did consider suicide"? -> Resolves NO assuming no other explicit mention of his suicidality elsewhere in the article
@Gen I think everyone who "knows" Max is probably already aware that the dude almost definitely wasn't suicidal (or we'd have heard about it), but I wouldn't put it past him to allude to the possibility that he was to mislead/manipulate readers and embolden his narrative.