"Boat Owners Only" sign - correct interpretation? at Morro Bay, CA
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You can go in if your boat is in this marina right now.
77%
If your boat is here and you contracted a spot, but all legal record of that burned in a fire, are you allowed in?
77%
If there is a fire and your boat stored here burns up partially and is not seaworthy, can you go in?
75%
If you owned a boat which is here, but it's been molecularly exchanged for identical but different atoms by aliens, you can go in
74%
If your boat here sinks can you go in?
65%
If your boat is here and you contracted a spot, but all legal record of that burned in a fire, and the only one who remembers who is still alive is you, and you paid cash, are you allowed in?
58%
You can go in if you are a guest of someone who is a boat owner.
57%
The dock owner is not allowed to go in, unless he is or is with a boat owner
57%
Only official owners of a specific but unspecified boat located on the dock are allowed through
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You can go in if you own a real live seaworthy boat now anywhere in the world.
56%
If you privately own the company that owns the boat, you may enter
52%
If you stole a boat, parked it here with a legal berth lease contract, then left, and return, can you go in?
50%
If you are a shareholder in the company that owns the boat, you may pass
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If California becomes officially Marxist, where ownership is an exclusive right of the state, can you anyone go in at all?
50%
If the 24 hour video surveillance of the marina is disabled, that invalidates that sign immediately above, creating a presumption that all the signs on the fence are false, and making it the case that only non-boat owners are allowed.
49%
You can go in if you own any kind of boat in any condition in the world, including toy boats, model boats, Lego boats, virtual boats in baldurs gate etc.
47%
The gate will prevent all non-boat owners from passing. Guests and passengers must swim
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The sign isn't about who is allowed through, it's about the contents of what's on the other side. Everything beyond the fence is a Boat Owner.
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If you own 1% of a boat here you can go in
44%
You can go through if you open the gate

I saw this troublesome sign at Morro Bay, CA. At least troublesome for Manifold! The topic of this is the role of legalism in market judgment criteria. This is not too serious and I recommend 10m only in each category. Or submit your own ones too! Going for claims which would be hard to hold and judge against a maximum evil djinn/genie+misaligned lawyer AI.

Initial deadline end of year but may extend if we're having fun.

Please submit yours although I will brutally censor and edit them. Please do not edit in any significant way at all, being hyper cautious, once submitted and doubly so once anyone has bet on them. If they're bad or mean or whatever wrong and not good for kids who may dream to be lawyers one day, clean them up or don't submit.

If you don't know, submitting answers is good and can earn you mana.

Clarifications will come here.

  • When I offhandedly mention boat owner, for example "as a guest of a boat owner" you can assume that the sign agrees with the background statement about boat owner

Will the market here be able to price how I would judge them? I also claim to be "reasonable, logical, fair," in other contexts!

I've decided my answer in each category and will resolve later, trying to strictly give YES or NO but may NA if there was legitimate difference in interpretation between bettors.

Remember: it says it right there, Boat Owners Only. Just read the words.

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Guys you are not going to BELIEVE This:

As a moderator on this site, I move that this market only be resolved by calling the number for "Associated Pacific Constructors" on the sign on the left and asking them how it should resolve. As that sign clearly says, any dock related inquiries should be addressed to them.

@BoltonBailey Note, though, that the person who makes the call should themselves be a boat owner, since, as the sign says, boat owners are the ones who should contact Associated Pacific Constructors.

Extended deadline.

legalism never ends, neither does this market

@Ernie The real question is, do you, as a (non-) boat owner, have the authority to extend the deadline on this market?

This implies that if I take my boat and move it into the marina without any registration or other legal basis for doing so, I am now personally allowed into the marina, but I'm confident the marina owner would not agree with that.

Bow down to our hero dalle3 for this amazing art

uh oh this may get more complicated

Al so it's advice that this is magical gate which prevents nonboat owners from passing! So non owners are advised to go around

At what point does a boat cease to be a boat? And does it then become flotsam, jetsam, or a shipwreck? I think different rules apply to each but I’m not a maritime lawyer.

Pat Scott🩴boughtṀ10 YES

@Stralor Insane take, the dock owner (who presumably installed the sign) has forbidden themselves from accessing the place if they didn’t also have a boat? That’s like saying a male restaurant owner cannot go into the women’s bathroom in their restaurant even to do the cleaning.

Possession is nine tenths of the law, if you stole a boat you are a boat owner. Maybe an illegal boat owner, but this sign doesn’t discriminate.

Hmm perhaps more interesting if we argue about how manifold should resolve markets when descriptions are in this style?

@Ernie ugh I'm gonna love/hate this market bc of how good a point it makes. nitpicking and hunting for technically correct is awful culture, so yeah let's go full bore here

@Stralor yeah it's way worse than. I thought actually. Legalism applied to a three word sign is rough....

@Stralor yeah even for manifold a claim title and description would be really bad. I'm not really advocating for defaulting in a huge number of allowed but unspecified loopholes into every market

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